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Stirlingsays 10 Mar 21 10.26am
Originally posted by Belmont Granted but surprise surprise virtually (as a rough guess) 99% of people on this board think she is lying. Yet the BBC and this board aren't realistically comparable on reach. The BBC is meant to be impartial, yet it rigs its narratives. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Mar 21 10.26am

Originally posted by Belmont

Granted but surprise surprise virtually (as a rough guess) 99% of people on this board think she is lying.

Yet the BBC and this board aren't realistically comparable on reach.

The BBC is meant to be impartial, yet it rigs its narratives.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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davenotamonkey 10 Mar 21 10.29am
Note how the polls are perpetuating and driving the divide. They want it to cause division - young vs. old, white vs. black, conservative vs. socialist, royalist vs. republican. They present it merely as "information". It isn't. These polls are designed to drive a wedge through society, rather than heal it. Anything to perpetuate the culture war, to keep us at each other's throats. By splitting the camps, you take a side and "wage war" against the other team. FWIW, I think Meghan is a narcissitic succubus, and I think Piers is a brash opinionated bore. Andrew Neil would never allow him airtime on GB News, because it would utterly undermine the nascent station. That said, if he's essentially been muzzled by ITV for not "towing the line", he was right to leave.... and that's why I see a glimmer of hope in new platforms like GB News.
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Note how the polls are perpetuating and driving the divide. They want it to cause division - young vs. old, white vs. black, conservative vs. socialist, royalist vs. republican. They present it merely as "information". It isn't.

These polls are designed to drive a wedge through society, rather than heal it. Anything to perpetuate the culture war, to keep us at each other's throats. By splitting the camps, you take a side and "wage war" against the other team.

FWIW, I think Meghan is a narcissitic succubus, and I think Piers is a brash opinionated bore. Andrew Neil would never allow him airtime on GB News, because it would utterly undermine the nascent station. That said, if he's essentially been muzzled by ITV for not "towing the line", he was right to leave.... and that's why I see a glimmer of hope in new platforms like GB News.

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Spiderman Horsham 10 Mar 21 10.34am
Originally posted by Belmont Granted but surprise surprise virtually (as a rough guess) 99% of people on this board think she is lying. Everyone will have an opinion on this. Having been happy to lay bare the accusations, she should have at least had the bottle to name names. You cannot accuse people of such serious charges without stumping up any evidence. Surely you agree with this. The context any claimed comments were used is another debate. With regard to the mental health issue, again, who did she speak to? Harry was patron of several mental health charities and has, himself, received counselling, surely he had contacts to whom she could have spoken but his response was “ I didn’t speak to anyone?” Somewhat bizarre. Do I believe her, on some things yes, on some things no. Do I feel she is using this to sell herself to even more media/film outlets, absolutely, just my opinion
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Horsham 10 Mar 21 10.34am

Originally posted by Belmont

Granted but surprise surprise virtually (as a rough guess) 99% of people on this board think she is lying.

Everyone will have an opinion on this. Having been happy to lay bare the accusations, she should have at least had the bottle to name names. You cannot accuse people of such serious charges without stumping up any evidence. Surely you agree with this. The context any claimed comments were used is another debate.
With regard to the mental health issue, again, who did she speak to? Harry was patron of several mental health charities and has, himself, received counselling, surely he had contacts to whom she could have spoken but his response was “ I didn’t speak to anyone?” Somewhat bizarre.
Do I believe her, on some things yes, on some things no. Do I feel she is using this to sell herself to even more media/film outlets, absolutely, just my opinion

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davenotamonkey 10 Mar 21 10.35am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yet the BBC and this board aren't realistically comparable on reach. The BBC is meant to be impartial, yet it rigs its narratives. Worth noting that the Telegraph has done the same: they had a video piece on "ask the 'British' public" who they sided with - of course limited to filming in London, they managed to interview about 3 (of the 6 or 7) that were certainly (by accent) not from the UK. I think only one of them (ex forces) came in heavily behind the RF.... and yet, you then look at their click-polling within the articles and it's overwhelmingly in support of the RF. They have, of course, disabled all commentary on all of their "Mrs and Mr Markle" pieces. I guess my point is, there's a lot of narrative-rigging around, even among news sources you would expect to counter the Steeley-Grauniad's "off with their heads" pieces.
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10 Mar 21 10.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yet the BBC and this board aren't realistically comparable on reach.

The BBC is meant to be impartial, yet it rigs its narratives.

Worth noting that the Telegraph has done the same: they had a video piece on "ask the 'British' public" who they sided with - of course limited to filming in London, they managed to interview about 3 (of the 6 or 7) that were certainly (by accent) not from the UK. I think only one of them (ex forces) came in heavily behind the RF.... and yet, you then look at their click-polling within the articles and it's overwhelmingly in support of the RF. They have, of course, disabled all commentary on all of their "Mrs and Mr Markle" pieces.

I guess my point is, there's a lot of narrative-rigging around, even among news sources you would expect to counter the Steeley-Grauniad's "off with their heads" pieces.

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Belmont 10 Mar 21 10.35am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yet the BBC and this board aren't realistically comparable on reach. The BBC is meant to be impartial, yet it rigs its narratives. Yep agreed if they deliberately didn't get a balanced portion of the population to interview that is clearly wrong and they should be called out on it. There are strong views on either side of this debate and people are throwing about unsubstantiated accusations all over the place and in my view if you call out one side you should also call out the other, obviously taking on board your point about the reach of this forum and BBC, but this bias is happening all over the place.
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10 Mar 21 10.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yet the BBC and this board aren't realistically comparable on reach.

The BBC is meant to be impartial, yet it rigs its narratives.

Yep agreed if they deliberately didn't get a balanced portion of the population to interview that is clearly wrong and they should be called out on it.

There are strong views on either side of this debate and people are throwing about unsubstantiated accusations all over the place and in my view if you call out one side you should also call out the other, obviously taking on board your point about the reach of this forum and BBC, but this bias is happening all over the place.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 10 Mar 21 10.40am
I'm not a fan of Morgan or GMB for that matter. I watch occasional glimpses and whilst I often find myself agreeing with his views, he rants a tad too much. However, I'm sorry to see him forced off the air by the woke brigade and can't help feeling that the majority of folk out there agreed with the sentiments he was trying to express. The interview looked contrived and intentionally damaging (just a personal view). Won't be long before Morgan is back on our screens. I imagine there are broadcasters who would welcome the publicity his controversial views attract. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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I'm not a fan of Morgan or GMB for that matter. I watch occasional glimpses and whilst I often find myself agreeing with his views, he rants a tad too much.

However, I'm sorry to see him forced off the air by the woke brigade and can't help feeling that the majority of folk out there agreed with the sentiments he was trying to express. The interview looked contrived and intentionally damaging (just a personal view).

Won't be long before Morgan is back on our screens. I imagine there are broadcasters who would welcome the publicity his controversial views attract.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Belmont 10 Mar 21 10.42am
Originally posted by Spiderman Everyone will have an opinion on this. Having been happy to lay bare the accusations, she should have at least had the bottle to name names. You cannot accuse people of such serious charges without stumping up any evidence. Surely you agree with this. The context any claimed comments were used is another debate. With regard to the mental health issue, again, who did she speak to? Harry was patron of several mental health charities and has, himself, received counselling, surely he had contacts to whom she could have spoken but his response was “ I didn’t speak to anyone?” Somewhat bizarre. Do I believe her, on some things yes, on some things no. Do I feel she is using this to sell herself to even more media/film outlets, absolutely, just my opinion You make some fair points but all sorts of people are throwing accusations around, who are in the public eye (obviously because of the interview and we could debate whether it should have happened but it's done now) which currently they have no proof of which to my mind is equally wrong. In my own personal opinion I think she has been treated badly by the press, on the rest of it how can I possibly judge without being privy to all the facts.
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Belmont

10 Mar 21 10.42am

Originally posted by Spiderman

You make some fair points but all sorts of people are throwing accusations around, who are in the public eye (obviously because of the interview and we could debate whether it should have happened but it's done now) which currently they have no proof of which to my mind is equally wrong.

In my own personal opinion I think she has been treated badly by the press, on the rest of it how can I possibly judge without being privy to all the facts.

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Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 10 Mar 21 10.45am
This is how it's done if you want to make your point calm and considered. Did he get sacked? I doubt it. [Link] I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.
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On the edge of reason 10 Mar 21 10.45am

This is how it's done if you want to make your point calm and considered. Did he get sacked? I doubt it.

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I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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Stirlingsays 10 Mar 21 10.54am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Worth noting that the Telegraph has done the same: they had a video piece on "ask the 'British' public" who they sided with - of course limited to filming in London, they managed to interview about 3 (of the 6 or 7) that were certainly (by accent) not from the UK. I think only one of them (ex forces) came in heavily behind the RF.... and yet, you then look at their click-polling within the articles and it's overwhelmingly in support of the RF. They have, of course, disabled all commentary on all of their "Mrs and Mr Markle" pieces. I guess my point is, there's a lot of narrative-rigging around, even among news sources you would expect to counter the Steeley-Grauniad's "off with their heads" pieces. Yep completely agree. Most if not all media lies regardless of political side.....they are paid to present an opinion. And we find even 'conservative' media acting as gate keepers. Often it's a matter of finding the most honest out there....which isn't easy in of itself but can be found in independent journalists...Those that are honest about their perspective. Even then it's most likely that we are all just seeking out reflections of our own opinions and then fooling ourselves otherwise. True objectivity is impossible. I've come to realise that in life you do really have to pick a side...but that doesn't mean that you don't self reflect and be fair yourself...just not to a self harming extent. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Mar 2021 11.17am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Mar 21 10.54am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

I guess my point is, there's a lot of narrative-rigging around, even among news sources you would expect to counter the Steeley-Grauniad's "off with their heads" pieces.

Yep completely agree.

Most if not all media lies regardless of political side.....they are paid to present an opinion. And we find even 'conservative' media acting as gate keepers.

Often it's a matter of finding the most honest out there....which isn't easy in of itself but can be found in independent journalists...Those that are honest about their perspective.

Even then it's most likely that we are all just seeking out reflections of our own opinions and then fooling ourselves otherwise.

True objectivity is impossible.

I've come to realise that in life you do really have to pick a side...but that doesn't mean that you don't self reflect and be fair yourself...just not to a self harming extent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Mar 2021 11.17am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 10 Mar 21 11.07am
Originally posted by Apollofuzz This is how it's done if you want to make your point calm and considered. Did he get sacked? I doubt it. [Link] Well found fuzzy. The Aussie hit the proverbial nail.
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Midhurst 10 Mar 21 11.07am

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

This is how it's done if you want to make your point calm and considered. Did he get sacked? I doubt it.

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Well found fuzzy. The Aussie hit the proverbial nail.

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cryrst The garden of England 10 Mar 21 11.12am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer Well found fuzzy. The Aussie hit the proverbial nail. Can't see migraine getting many invites to commonwealth countries the tramp! Think she's underestimated how respected our Royal family actually is. Still at least she married a queen.
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The garden of England 10 Mar 21 11.12am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Well found fuzzy. The Aussie hit the proverbial nail.

Can't see migraine getting many invites to commonwealth countries the tramp!
Think she's underestimated how respected our Royal family actually is. Still at least she married a queen.

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Stirlingsays 10 Mar 21 11.15am
Originally posted by Belmont Yep agreed if they deliberately didn't get a balanced portion of the population to interview that is clearly wrong and they should be called out on it. There are strong views on either side of this debate and people are throwing about unsubstantiated accusations all over the place and in my view if you call out one side you should also call out the other, obviously taking on board your point about the reach of this forum and BBC, but this bias is happening all over the place. Bias is natural, I don't have an issue with someone being biased. My issue, in relation to Morgan, is how the narratives and biases are strictly controlled and hence don't actually represent any plurality of opinion. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Mar 21 11.15am

Originally posted by Belmont

Yep agreed if they deliberately didn't get a balanced portion of the population to interview that is clearly wrong and they should be called out on it.

Bias is natural, I don't have an issue with someone being biased.

My issue, in relation to Morgan, is how the narratives and biases are strictly controlled and hence don't actually represent any plurality of opinion.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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