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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 21 7.59pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
He’s far more suited to leadership than Johnson is. Johnson hasn’t made a decision until he has had his hand forced and all other options are no longer valid, has changed his mind constantly (remember that schools were open for literally one day before he changed his mind) just a week ago. We haven’t handled it well by any measure. The reason we’re stuck is this long lockdown now is because he hadn’t taken sufficient measures previously. There are quite a few countries in Asia that have similar or higher population and densities than us that have far fewer casualties and have returned to a much more ‘normal’ way of life than us. So you believe all the figures coming out of these countries? Do you believe the Chinese figures because I certainly don’t. Not sure all the Labour Party believe Sir Fence Sitter is suited to leadership. Let’s be honest whatever Boris or the Tories do will always be criticised by you
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 8.13pm | |
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Sturgeon must be counting down the days until Johnson makes his next 'essential' visit to Scotland. Much more of this and indyref 2 will be in the bag. Each time he visits opinion polls increase in favour of it. His approval rating over covid19 in Scotland is -43, yes minus. The best thing she can do is buy him a season ticket.
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m/k mick milton keynes 28 Jan 21 8.19pm | |
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I have been a Labour supporter all my 70 plus years, really dislike Boris, he and his government have made some very bad decisions, in very trying times, but i have concluded, his annoying at times optimism is exactly what we need, Labour are a total waste at the moment, just a bunch of whingers, and as for the leader, Captain Hindsight, flip flops around every issue, they have become un electable, i think for this decade
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 21 8.38pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
I have been a Labour supporter all my 70 plus years, really dislike Boris, he and his government have made some very bad decisions, in very trying times, but i have concluded, his annoying at times optimism is exactly what we need, Labour are a total waste at the moment, just a bunch of whingers, and as for the leader, Captain Hindsight, flip flops around every issue, they have become un electable, i think for this decade Starmer is an establishment figure, he dutifully follows the tory line, abstaining occasionally but usually backing up the PM while making clever but useless comments we may deduce as being ever so mildly critical. In fact, I am surprised Johnson did not take him up to Scotland as their policies are, as usual, the same. Something really radical is needed, but I can't see it anywhere.
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cryrst The garden of England 28 Jan 21 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
He’s far more suited to leadership than Johnson is. Johnson hasn’t made a decision until he has had his hand forced and all other options are no longer valid, has changed his mind constantly (remember that schools were open for literally one day before he changed his mind) just a week ago. We haven’t handled it well by any measure. The reason we’re stuck is this long lockdown now is because he hadn’t taken sufficient measures previously. There are quite a few countries in Asia that have similar or higher population and densities than us that have far fewer casualties and have returned to a much more ‘normal’ way of life than us. I dont see any criticism of the public.
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jeeagles 28 Jan 21 10.46pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
I genuinely think a Keir Starmer lead Labour would. But Labour put Corbyn up for two general elections! And lost. Corbyn even tried to run away from the last general election as he knew he had no chance, even against a majority government. Palace's performance vs Villa was better than Labour's at the last GE. Take a leaf out of Sir Keir's book. Only make claims you can win. People who backed Jeremy Corbyn for PM have no creditably attacking Boris.
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jeeagles 28 Jan 21 11.07pm | |
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Anyway, back to the subject. I saw Sturgeon speak today. She seems stupid and spiteful. Boris is an excellent political mover. Refusing to let the Prime Minister visit parts of the country he governs isn't a good look for Sturgeon. It probably won't go down to well with people sat on the fence, and internationally it will look like something a bit like a someone trying to undertake a coup. Similarly, a second referendum will look terribly internationally for the whole of the UK. Scotland has seen how hard it was for the UK to untangle from the EU and sign a new trade deal. Scotland will need to untangle with England, do a deal with both, and potentially have a land boarder. It will also be stressed that the price of oil have slumped. So the oil money Scotland claimed was theirs during the last referendum is now worthless. Scotland's Covid performance is misleading. They benefit from low population densities and isolation. It stands to reason that the south east of England will be hit much harder than Scotland. Yet when comparisons are drawn with the likes of the southwest it is fairing badly. Glasgow and surrounding regions have been particularly badly hit. This is despite Nicola announcing harsher lockdowns than England at every turn. There will be a lot of angry Scots looking for work when the pandemic is over. Meanwhile Boris is going to show that the might of the Union produced a vaccine and we are miles ahead of the EU... which she claims Scotland would be better under. One of the issues she is going to have to face is that Scotland had to request help from paramedics across the UK as they have been completely over run. The Scottish NHS is a mess. Her current cry is that Scotland will spend spend spend. I'm not sure that will be the vote winner she expects either. She's now the establishment and no longer a protest vote. I think she might struggle when Westminster chucks everything at them.
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Teddy Eagle 28 Jan 21 11.28pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Anyway, back to the subject. I saw Sturgeon speak today. She seems stupid and spiteful. Boris is an excellent political mover. Refusing to let the Prime Minister visit parts of the country he governs isn't a good look for Sturgeon. It probably won't go down to well with people sat on the fence, and internationally it will look like something a bit like a someone trying to undertake a coup. Similarly, a second referendum will look terribly internationally for the whole of the UK. Scotland has seen how hard it was for the UK to untangle from the EU and sign a new trade deal. Scotland will need to untangle with England, do a deal with both, and potentially have a land boarder. It will also be stressed that the price of oil have slumped. So the oil money Scotland claimed was theirs during the last referendum is now worthless. Scotland's Covid performance is misleading. They benefit from low population densities and isolation. It stands to reason that the south east of England will be hit much harder than Scotland. Yet when comparisons are drawn with the likes of the southwest it is fairing badly. Glasgow and surrounding regions have been particularly badly hit. This is despite Nicola announcing harsher lockdowns than England at every turn. There will be a lot of angry Scots looking for work when the pandemic is over. Meanwhile Boris is going to show that the might of the Union produced a vaccine and we are miles ahead of the EU... which she claims Scotland would be better under. One of the issues she is going to have to face is that Scotland had to request help from paramedics across the UK as they have been completely over run. The Scottish NHS is a mess. Her current cry is that Scotland will spend spend spend. I'm not sure that will be the vote winner she expects either. She's now the establishment and no longer a protest vote. I think she might struggle when Westminster chucks everything at them. Depending on Alex Salmond’s evidence in the current enquiry she might not be able to hold on anyway.
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Eaglecoops CR3 28 Jan 21 11.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Depending on Alex Salmond’s evidence in the current enquiry she might not be able to hold on anyway. Haha, and who pays for that?
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Teddy Eagle 28 Jan 21 11.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Haha, and who pays for that? No one. They’re fre........ahhh.
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Palacesince64 Edinburgh 29 Jan 21 12.39am | |
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As someone who worked for the NHS for 40 years on both sides of the border it works equally well on either side because of the dedication of staff. It has been progressively starved of funding for years now and could be so much better with proper investment in IT infrastructure and data collection.( can’t believe I just said that as a medic!) That being said the NHS in Scotland works far better than that in England because we didn’t tinker with the funding mechanisms the way they have down south. Most of my colleagues in England are envious of the system up here. As for the less than subtle comments that Scotland has been gifted money by Westminster ergo England props us up, I’d remind you we are still part of the UK so entitled to funding. We are no charity case. If you believe we are then encourage Boris to cut us free. I voted labour most of my life and would love to do so again but I fear England is committed to the Tories and as pointed out is so much bigger than Scotland. The only way we will get a labour government in the UK is if Scotland votes for it and that’s not going to happen in my lifetime. The only way I’ll see a labour administration is to vote SNP, pray for another referendum, gain independence and hopefully talented labour politicians will stay in Edinburgh and build a party deserving of my vote. Nicola isn’t perfect but she is way ahead of the Eton Mess!
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Spiderman Horsham 29 Jan 21 8.15am | |
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Originally posted by Palacesince64
As someone who worked for the NHS for 40 years on both sides of the border it works equally well on either side because of the dedication of staff. It has been progressively starved of funding for years now and could be so much better with proper investment in IT infrastructure and data collection.( can’t believe I just said that as a medic!) That being said the NHS in Scotland works far better than that in England because we didn’t tinker with the funding mechanisms the way they have down south. Most of my colleagues in England are envious of the system up here. As for the less than subtle comments that Scotland has been gifted money by Westminster ergo England props us up, I’d remind you we are still part of the UK so entitled to funding. We are no charity case. If you believe we are then encourage Boris to cut us free. I voted labour most of my life and would love to do so again but I fear England is committed to the Tories and as pointed out is so much bigger than Scotland. The only way we will get a labour government in the UK is if Scotland votes for it and that’s not going to happen in my lifetime. The only way I’ll see a labour administration is to vote SNP, pray for another referendum, gain independence and hopefully talented labour politicians will stay in Edinburgh and build a party deserving of my vote. Nicola isn’t perfect but she is way ahead of the Eton Mess! I thought Westminster represented the U.K. not England, I have learnt something today. You say you are not financially propped up by the say you are entitled to funding, which is it? Serious question without Westminster funding would Scotland be able to afford free prescriptions, free University, cheap dental treatment etc? If not why would anyone vote for Independence apart from because of their hatred of the English
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