This isn’t true. Little bits of bodies and people confirming this isn’t the case are coming out yet we keep hearing the lefties trot this nonsense out. The body never has kept the antibodies to viruses at the front of the body’s access area because the serum doesn’t have room for it. It’s held in the body’s memory and called upon when needed as is the case with many foreign toxins. Well something like that but you get the picture. All this vaccinating 2-4 times a year is supposed to be nonsense but I wouldn’t be surprised any more. Feckin western world has lost its mind. Populations in the past wouldn’t think we were English or British in spirit. Nothing like it.

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It's not just "lefties". Maybe some Rudi, but many people, of all colours and persuasions, are scared by the constant over-estimation of how many will die, and how some hospitals are full already, with the rest to follow without lockdown. The pandemic is a fraction of what it was. I still know nobody who has seen a death from C-19. And I have two elderly parents, four aunts and two uncles who all but one live in London or the SE. Along with several nephews, nieces, cousins, along with their various associated family, friends, work colleagus. All of them have survived this 'highly contagious and lethal' virus.

I'm not a virus denier, just being realistic.

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T-cell immunity remains after body serum antibodies go soon after infection. The tw&ts at sky news have even said this today and that it’s their in T-cells for at least 6 months after leaving it out of their report on the same study last week to put the fear of God in people.

I think you’re behind on the information and knowledge, grumpy.

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For all the economic damage this second lockdown will do, being that it is likely to be voted through I'm sure we all hope that it will be as successful as the first in bringing down numbers (else it's entirely pointless on all levels).

However, the first lockdown (admittedly when it was likely more widespread) went on for 3 months and schools were closed too, so there were far fewer connections within the community. If those connections are enough to keep this ticking over at the same or just a little lower level than the current numbers, it seems inevitable that the month will be extended (to justify it). Gove hinted as much, whereas Boris said it won't. But let's remember that just ten days prior he described the very idea he's now pushing as “the height of absurdity” so his word doesn't mean much.

Muddling along (with a potential vaccine in our sights), local lockdowns in badly hit areas, a shorter 'circuit breaker' when numbers were relatively low, all appear(ed) to have more merit than this approach. Even massive testing in regions to best detect and isolate cases while allowing society to keep functioning makes sense. Boris set out his stall on Brexit in determined fashion (eventually), but when it comes to this it's like he decides what approach to be passionate about based on which side of the bed he gets out of that day. Being that peoples health and livelihoods are in his hands, that's not very re-assuring.

There’s some good evidence we’ve reached herd immunity in London (already achieved in Sweden). Whatever you believe, the London death curve looks flat to me, not exponential.

Herd immunity doesn’t mean there will be no covid deaths as we’ll still see flare ups and also anyone with covid is reported as a covid death, regardless of what they died of. It’s tellling that flu/pneumonia deaths are much lower than average. So there is some double count (ie people that would’ve died anyway regardless of covid).

Excess deaths is the best measure to use, and excess deaths in the a UK were not significant in October.

So, covid deaths will fall but not because of lockdown. Lockdown will be hailed as a success, but it’s unnecessary. In London at least. Lockdowns appear to make very little difference, apart from making us feel safer and giving politicians something to do.

Vive le Roy!

Look up T-cell immunity and Covid. A portion of the public have been immune the whole time as well. I’m not going to argue with you. Go and look it up.

Even sky news thought they’d better add that key part yesterday after leaving it out last week to ramp up the fear again by claiming immunity doesn’t last at all. Now they admit it does, and they knew it did.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Nov 2020 10.13am)

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