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davenotamonkey 10 Sep 20 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Pacta sunt servanda [agreements must be kept] = the foundation of prosperous future relations.” A lot of damage has been done here.
Aren't you a good little boy, dutifily parroting your EU President? Clausula rebus sic stantibus - [Go f*** your intransigent controlling political project] = the very next clause in the Vienna Treaty There is a mountain of evidence to demonstrate that the EU have acted against the WA, in spirit and in practice. Not least, it is refusing to negotiate an FTA without preconditions. Notwithstanding any of this, they willingly ratifed the treaty upon the UK implementation of it passing into UK law. That includes Article 38 of the Act. Do you know what that Article states? Do they know what that Article states? For a "rules-based organisation" (yeah, when it suits them), do you think they didn't scrutinise the Bill that was passed, as they are now doing with the current bill? Not a leg to stand on. Funny how we're all suddenly experts on international law, with legal standpoints entirely aligned to how much we want the UK to fail as a sovereign nation outside of the EU, hmm? Having just read today's article by Martin Howe QC (my go-to for the various constitutional maladies the EU have inflicted upon us), and I'm quite happy. And even more keen for us to rip the f***ing WA up. All of it, preferably. ...and now we have "three weeks to... withdraw these measures from the draft Bill in the shortest time possible and in any case by the end of the month.". Just who the f*** do these people think they are? The days of the EU writing direct-effect Directives and zero-debate Regulations into our statute books are over.
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Sep 20 7.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
But however this pans out, this will not have been this country's finest moment. Sometimes when s*** is s***, you have to accept that even if you are quite happy for it to be flung about. Edited by Matov (10 Sep 2020 1.50pm) We haven't actually broken any laws yet though have we. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Sep 2020 7.58pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Sep 20 8.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
And if you stopped acting like a naive and brainwashed senior citizen you might also join the real world. What the average person in East LA (Lower Addiscombe) will be seeing is it's one rule for the powerful and another for the average. Just not a good look, as has been said. You may not know that as I think you have fallen our of love with East LA these days. Firstly, I'm not a senior citizen. Second, your grasp of reality is notoriously flimsy. You epitomise the naivety of the Left and the fact that we grew up in the same town makes no difference to me. The place is a dump now as all of the suburbs will be in a few decades. The rules will always be set by the wealthy and powerful. Accept that now and save yourself further pain.
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Matov 10 Sep 20 8.11pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Just who the f*** do these people think they are? The days of the EU writing direct-effect Directives and zero-debate Regulations into our statute books are over.
Key to this is understanding why they are so brazen about it? The EU are going nuts because they see it as a serious snub. That the UK now consider them not even worthy of consideration. And if they want to end the talks over it then the percentage of the country that voted Leave and backed Johnson over it will be cheering to the rafters. The UK WANTS the EU to throw its toys out of the pram. Their actions are effectively daring them to do so. This is all a very calculated power play designed to make them storm off in a huff. Because then they have to answer to 27 other countries. Many of whom need UK markets more than ever now. Brussels failure to secure a deal plays out badly and severely undermines its authority. And the final proof is what Labour are saying out it....which is very, very little. They know how this plays out and siding with the EU ain't a good look for them. Potentially an incredibly clever move. Still a way to go but I am impressed. A possible Ace card being played here. And if anybody thinks it is more of a joker then I am all ears. But make it good. Seriously. No more bulls***.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Sep 20 8.20pm | |
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Should have gone to specsavers, and Jeremy Corbyn. By now we would have a new agreement which the country could choose or not, or remained if we wished. And we would have adhered to as countries do normally. The UK cannot win a trade war with the EU and nobody wishes to trade with a country that breaks its agreements.
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Matov 10 Sep 20 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Should have gone to specsavers, and Jeremy Corbyn. By now we would have a new agreement which the country could choose or not, or remained if we wished. And we would have adhered to as countries do normally. The UK cannot win a trade war with the EU and nobody wishes to trade with a country that breaks its agreements. The absolute sum of sweet f*** all. Come on, you can do better than that.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 20 8.44pm | |
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Here it is for you Croydon:
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Mapletree Croydon 10 Sep 20 8.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Firstly, I'm not a senior citizen. Second, your grasp of reality is notoriously flimsy. You epitomise the naivety of the Left and the fact that we grew up in the same town makes no difference to me. The place is a dump now as all of the suburbs will be in a few decades. The rules will always be set by the wealthy and powerful. Accept that now and save yourself further pain. Gosh you are thoughtful I hadn’t realised I am suffering pain You are over 55 so you count. But I don’t actually think I said you are a senior citizen, you just act like one. Maybe that’s why Croydon is so scary for you.
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Sep 20 9.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
The absolute sum of sweet f*** all. Come on, you can do better than that. Sorry to disappoint. I would call our friends and apologise, and be working all hours to restore good relations. I wonder if they have some plan for re-entering the EU fast, I would dust that off.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Sep 20 9.20pm | |
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Some good guitar there mate, would have fitted in to the cranberries paris 99 concert well- apparently there best ever concert- beneath the skin- well worth a look when you crack open a beer or ten!
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 10 Sep 20 11.22pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Blimey I used to sit in my old local & hear people say this on a weekly basis & the usual uber liberal types all said pretty much the same thing as well when Trump became president.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Sep 20 5.37am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Sorry to disappoint. I would call our friends and apologise, and be working all hours to restore good relations. I wonder if they have some plan for re-entering the EU fast, I would dust that off. I dont recall any politicians stating we would never consider that. Where did you read it was said.
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