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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jul 20 3.22pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Yeah, i think it"s already creeping in, young and not so young still at home with folks, nothing wrong with that if it"s what they want, but if they wanted to fly the nest and can"t then it"s not ideal. Shouldn’t have sold all the council houses off. Frankly, there needs to be a building of council houses similar to post WW2, but clearly will never happen.
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BlueJay UK 06 Jul 20 8.10pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
100% agree
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Jul 20 8.18pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
All basic economics, a lack of housing means an increase in prices, but what has caused the biggest issue with a lack of housing, natural population growth or immigration?
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 06 Jul 20 8.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Correct. My daughter is a Senior Spacecraft Engineer, having obtained a Master’s degree. She works in Guildford and has had to pay £230000 for a 1 bed 1960s built flat. Her boyfriend is an electrical engineer, they are hoping to buy a house soon but anything decent within reasonable travelling distance will cost them around £400000. My son who lost his job because of lockdown has no chance.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jul 20 8.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
All basic economics, a lack of housing means an increase in prices, but what has caused the biggest issue with a lack of housing, natural population growth or immigration? Selling off stock and not rebuilding is the original issue. As far as I'm aware there is no natural population growth in Western European society, so population growth comes from immigrants and their offspring largely. One reason, amongst others, lack of housing and the expense of housing. To get married you would like a house, to have kids, naturally, you want a house. A house is 500k - sh1t, may as well just forget it.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 06 Jul 20 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
It's relevant though to also factor in that relatively speaking houses cost over 8 times the average wage now, double that of the mid 90s or earlier when many of us may well have bought. We, through blind luck, were simply in the market at the right time. Young people have been let down by successive governments. Let down by an open door immigration policy which has pushed up house prices year after year.
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dannyboy1978 06 Jul 20 9.42pm | |
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Think of the frauds with more than one identity, it could be a clever way to catch them out.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Jul 20 10.37pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Shouldn’t have sold all the council houses off. Frankly, there needs to be a building of council houses similar to post WW2, but clearly will never happen. Yes, great idea, but as you say, wouldn"t hold my breath.
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Jul 20 10.45pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Selling off stock and not rebuilding is the original issue. As far as I'm aware there is no natural population growth in Western European society, so population growth comes from immigrants and their offspring largely. One reason, amongst others, lack of housing and the expense of housing. To get married you would like a house, to have kids, naturally, you want a house. A house is 500k - sh1t, may as well just forget it. Sorry but I don’t agree with what you are saying with regard to selling off stock (unless of course you were referring to retaining affordable rental property). Those houses were sold to sitting tenants so didn’t disappear from housing stock, they just got shifted from the Council rental to the privately owned sector. I agree there was a cut back in building and that is part of the economic answer that has created price increases. Low supply plus high demand equals higher prices. Developers in the 80s onwards were not like the local authority developers of the post war period who built and built and built to replace war damaged property, they were more selective and tended to just about meet the housing requirements to ensure prices didn’t crash due to oversupply. Prices in the current market place reflect an extended period of low interest rates, continued high demand and continued under supply. The issues have been exacerbated by massive bulk purchasing by Middle Eastern. Chinese and Russian buyers which leaves thousands of properties vacant, never to be occupied in cities across the UK. The matter of resolving under supply would not I think help the market any longer anyway. I don’t think a massive building project would reduce prices as there is so much money washing around with the rich people that they can jump straight in and buy whatever is built. If you want a solution to affordable housing, you need to build to a targeted population that takes the rich man out of the equation. For example you could put strict planning obligations onto developments so that only first time buyers are allowed to purchase and that if they are sold on they can only be sold again to first time buyers. There is lots that could be done including producing much cheaper housing such as modern pre fabricated buildings and park homes. Another big help will of course be to control immigration so that demand is curtailed.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Jul 20 11.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
All basic economics, a lack of housing means an increase in prices, but what has caused the biggest issue with a lack of housing, natural population growth or immigration? I remember reading in the standard,about 10 years ago, that over 4000 people in the city got over a million in bonus at christmas, it had been going on for years, after blowing the first million on cars and houses, a year went by and another million in bonus was coming, so most just bought flats in London off plan, snapping 4 up at 250k each, it said that these guys were taking 16000 apartments off the market every year, ongoing, and were pushing the prices up and denying the Londoners working in hospitals /councils/police/fire etc, the chance to live anywhere near work! Nice work, if you can get it! Where did i leave my old school tie?......
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Eaglecoops CR3 06 Jul 20 11.19pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
I remember reading in the standard,about 10 years ago, that over 4000 people in the city got over a million in bonus at christmas, it had been going on for years, after blowing the first million on cars and houses, a year went by and another million in bonus was coming, so most just bought flats in London off plan, snapping 4 up at 250k each, it said that these guys were taking 16000 apartments off the market every year, ongoing, and were pushing the prices up and denying the Londoners working in hospitals /councils/police/fire etc, the chance to live anywhere near work! Nice work, if you can get it! Where did i leave my old school tie?...... Yep, sounds about right which is why in my view restricting sales of certain developments to first time buyers only would massively influence the market in favour of youngsters.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Jul 20 11.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Yep, sounds about right which is why in my view restricting sales of certain developments to first time buyers only would massively influence the market in favour of youngsters. Indeed! Somethings got to give for sure,i might get in to the luxury tent business , two bedroom and bucket in each type, we could have whole cities in Leicestershire or Lincolnshire, they have untold fields that would make great tent cities, maybe Glostershire and Bucks would have to have the 4 bed tent, only fair, we have to keep standards up!All we need is a good pr campaign, the joy of living in a "permenant " tent, obviously they will need to pay council tax, and for those with a little extra to spend i could "build" a blow up garage next to said tent, all fixed "permenantly" with steel pegs, (British steel of course!)
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