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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Jan 20 8.58pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Most people to choose from to, 65 million, compared to 5 million, think about it, theres more people within a few miles of saracens ground than the whole of ireland or wales, should be way out in front with that pool to pick from and all that money, but theyre not!Funny how you say its last two games thats important, but go back years for the england final win, and no doubt harp on about 1966 to, when france have won two world cups and a european championship and another losing world cup final in past 20 years, make your mind up man! Either live in the present, or live in the past, but dont try both! Incidentally, im connaght to, but cant diss munster and leinster for what they have achieved, leinster are the all time top winners with toulouse, 4 each, they are the liverpool or rugby! Fact is Ireland is a harder country with real men in it whereas England is full of lots of pussy men or androgynous excuses for males and parents that have a breakdown if their son falls off his pushbike. I bet they still play outside as well. We raise a lot of pathetic boys and men whereas a lot of the rugby nations are a tougher breed, then there’s Scotland who are just shyte at everything apart from hurling and tossing the caber. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 22 Jan 20 8.58pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Most people to choose from to, 65 million, compared to 5 million, think about it, theres more people within a few miles of saracens ground than the whole of ireland or wales, should be way out in front with that pool to pick from and all that money, but theyre not!Funny how you say its last two games thats important, but go back years for the england final win, and no doubt harp on about 1966 to, when france have won two world cups and a european championship and another losing world cup final in past 20 years, make your mind up man! Either live in the present, or live in the past, but dont try both! Incidentally, im connaght to, but cant diss munster and leinster for what they have achieved, leinster are the all time top winners with toulouse, 4 each, they are the liverpool or rugby!

Fact is Ireland is a harder country with real men in it whereas England is full of lots of pussy men or androgynous excuses for males and parents that have a breakdown if their son falls off his pushbike. I bet they still play outside as well. We raise a lot of pathetic boys and men whereas a lot of the rugby nations are a tougher breed, then there’s Scotland who are just shyte at everything apart from hurling and tossing the caber.

COYP

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 22 Jan 20 9.57pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Fact is Ireland is a harder country with real men in it whereas England is full of lots of pussy men or androgynous excuses for males and parents that have a breakdown if their son falls off his pushbike. I bet they still play outside as well. We raise a lot of pathetic boys and men whereas a lot of the rugby nations are a tougher breed, then there’s Scotland who are just shyte at everything apart from hurling and tossing the caber. Rugby doesn't really have a place for pussies. Not even here. Perhaps, as the working class sport in South Africa, NZ and Wales, you get a more aggressive culture around their game. A South African mate said he played in kids' games where they basically lined up and fought and were encouraged to bite other kids when on the ground. You can just imagine the same intensity (like we have on the sidelines in football btw) in the likes of Wales and NZ.. But the sport itself just filters out the weak & the reticent. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Rugby doesn't really have a place for pussies. Not even here.

Perhaps, as the working class sport in South Africa, NZ and Wales, you get a more aggressive culture around their game.

A South African mate said he played in kids' games where they basically lined up and fought and were encouraged to bite other kids when on the ground.

You can just imagine the same intensity (like we have on the sidelines in football btw) in the likes of Wales and NZ..

But the sport itself just filters out the weak & the reticent.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Jan 20 12.32am
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig Rugby doesn't really have a place for pussies. Not even here. Perhaps, as the working class sport in South Africa, NZ and Wales, you get a more aggressive culture around their game. A South African mate said he played in kids' games where they basically lined up and fought and were encouraged to bite other kids when on the ground. You can just imagine the same intensity (like we have on the sidelines in football btw) in the likes of Wales and NZ.. But the sport itself just filters out the weak & the reticent. The countries we’ve been talking about don’t have a place for pussies, which is my point, apart from France, which is more naturally limp wristed, spineless and sneaky than we are, apart from the animals bred for pack rugby positions. But I’m talking about pussy Parisian men and not men out in real life elsewhere in France. Let’s face it, some macho men in England don’t go to rugby school but it must also be noted we’re raising a country of weaklings to be embarrassed of, but oh they’re in touch with their emotions and they hug all their friends. However, I haven’t met any South Africans I’ve ever liked so maybe the grass isn’t always greener. I love England but fvck it it’s making me question why. Maybe reasons will come along again but I’m seeing lots of negatives (how the people here are developing and the people coming in) The kids on the AstroTurf behind The Brits playing American football. What? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 23 Jan 20 12.32am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Rugby doesn't really have a place for pussies. Not even here.

Perhaps, as the working class sport in South Africa, NZ and Wales, you get a more aggressive culture around their game.

A South African mate said he played in kids' games where they basically lined up and fought and were encouraged to bite other kids when on the ground.

You can just imagine the same intensity (like we have on the sidelines in football btw) in the likes of Wales and NZ..

But the sport itself just filters out the weak & the reticent.

The countries we’ve been talking about don’t have a place for pussies, which is my point, apart from France, which is more naturally limp wristed, spineless and sneaky than we are, apart from the animals bred for pack rugby positions. But I’m talking about pussy Parisian men and not men out in real life elsewhere in France.

Let’s face it, some macho men in England don’t go to rugby school but it must also be noted we’re raising a country of weaklings to be embarrassed of, but oh they’re in touch with their emotions and they hug all their friends. However, I haven’t met any South Africans I’ve ever liked so maybe the grass isn’t always greener. I love England but fvck it it’s making me question why. Maybe reasons will come along again but I’m seeing lots of negatives (how the people here are developing and the people coming in)

The kids on the AstroTurf behind The Brits playing American football. What?

COYP

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Jan 20 6.59am
Ha! I think. I didn't put Australia, please note. They have a lot of softies but nonetheless an insane sporting culture (because nothing else really defines them). It's true the Sith Ifricins can be nasty b******s -- think stereotypical football types but in rugby -- but there are a lot of mild mannered ones. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Jan 20 6.59am

Ha! I think.

I didn't put Australia, please note. They have a lot of softies but nonetheless an insane sporting culture (because nothing else really defines them).

It's true the Sith Ifricins can be nasty b******s -- think stereotypical football types but in rugby -- but there are a lot of mild mannered ones.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 20 8.17am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Fact is Ireland is a harder country with real men in it whereas England is full of lots of pussy men or androgynous excuses for males and parents that have a breakdown if their son falls off his pushbike. I bet they still play outside as well. We raise a lot of pathetic boys and men whereas a lot of the rugby nations are a tougher breed, then there’s Scotland who are just shyte at everything apart from hurling and tossing the caber. I'm not sure which part of Ireland you have been visiting. I presume you have at least seen the government on TV. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 20 8.17am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I'm not sure which part of Ireland you have been visiting. I presume you have at least seen the government on TV.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 20 8.23am
Originally posted by croydon proud Most people to choose from to, 65 million, compared to 5 million, think about it, theres more people within a few miles of saracens ground than the whole of ireland or wales, should be way out in front with that pool to pick from and all that money, but theyre not!Funny how you say its last two games thats important, but go back years for the england final win, and no doubt harp on about 1966 to, when france have won two world cups and a european championship and another losing world cup final in past 20 years, make your mind up man! Either live in the present, or live in the past, but dont try both! Incidentally, im connaght to, but cant diss munster and leinster for what they have achieved, leinster are the all time top winners with toulouse, 4 each, they are the liverpool or rugby! So by your logic then the USA should win every world Cup. Then again your logic slightly works as Argentina keep on thrashing you. Obviously the last couple of matches and the last World Cup still a sore point for you. Stick to Leinster as funded by the government and Irish Rugby along with all the rich people in Ireland - it seems right up your street. Your geography is excellent - to point out how clubs like Exeter, Northampton etc are supposed to compete with basically the national team. I hope you manage to naturalise a few more this year so it will be over the six you already fast tracked at the expense of your own. All in the name of being able to compete internationally at something, anything. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 20 8.23am

Originally posted by croydon proud

So by your logic then the USA should win every world Cup. Then again your logic slightly works as Argentina keep on thrashing you.
Obviously the last couple of matches and the last World Cup still a sore point for you.
Stick to Leinster as funded by the government and Irish Rugby along with all the rich people in Ireland - it seems right up your street. Your geography is excellent - to point out how clubs like Exeter, Northampton etc are supposed to compete with basically the national team.
I hope you manage to naturalise a few more this year so it will be over the six you already fast tracked at the expense of your own.
All in the name of being able to compete internationally at something, anything.

Red and Blue Army!

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jeeagles 23 Jan 20 8.33am
Saracen's haven't been caught cheating, they've refused to open their books and the Premiership have hammered them for it. They've not breached European Cup rules, the European Cup is a stand alone business owned by ECR. This isn't anywhere near on the same level as financial doping in football where tyrants are using their wealth as a PR exercise and/or a security net. The wage cap is pretty much out of date. The owners ob Scarecens have invested heavily in a new stadium and a fantastic team. They've got an excellent training network from grass roots upwards for players across north london and Essex. The owners business plan is to create a super club than can compete with the French teams and Irish regions but are stifled by the £7m a year cap where only two players are exempt. What they've achieved in the last 4 years is incredible. 3 premiership titles and 3 european cups. Irish teams dont have to play week in week out in a competitive league and have an excellent nationally controlled recruitment system. French teams have unlimited money. There are not 65m people in England. There are 65m in the united kingdom. Theres about 50m in england, which only really plays rugby in private schools, which is about 7% of the population, round that number up a bit and they have about 5m players, still probably more than anywhere else. Similarly France only plays in the south west so the pool of players to choose from. In wales, rugby is the national identity. Over the last decade they have been excellent. I hope they build on their rwc and 6n success. Ireland are competing with all sorts of sports for talent, the do incredibly well at sport.... Scotland have barely any players to chose from. It's not a working class sport in England, Scotland and SA. But is everywhere else. This Scarcens team have contributed loads to English Rugby. Without breaching the salary cap they wouldn't have been able to bring through half the players that drew the Lions tour in NZ or got to the world cup final. Nationally they've helped to increase interest in the game. I'm pretty sure Mo Farah took drugs.... but everyone in athletics who can afford it is on drugs.
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23 Jan 20 8.33am

Saracen's haven't been caught cheating, they've refused to open their books and the Premiership have hammered them for it.

They've not breached European Cup rules, the European Cup is a stand alone business owned by ECR.

This isn't anywhere near on the same level as financial doping in football where tyrants are using their wealth as a PR exercise and/or a security net.

The wage cap is pretty much out of date. The owners ob Scarecens have invested heavily in a new stadium and a fantastic team. They've got an excellent training network from grass roots upwards for players across north london and Essex. The owners business plan is to create a super club than can compete with the French teams and Irish regions but are stifled by the £7m a year cap where only two players are exempt.

What they've achieved in the last 4 years is incredible. 3 premiership titles and 3 european cups.

Irish teams dont have to play week in week out in a competitive league and have an excellent nationally controlled recruitment system. French teams have unlimited money.

There are not 65m people in England. There are 65m in the united kingdom. Theres about 50m in england, which only really plays rugby in private schools, which is about 7% of the population, round that number up a bit and they have about 5m players, still probably more than anywhere else.

Similarly France only plays in the south west so the pool of players to choose from.

In wales, rugby is the national identity. Over the last decade they have been excellent. I hope they build on their rwc and 6n success.

Ireland are competing with all sorts of sports for talent, the do incredibly well at sport.... Scotland have barely any players to chose from.

It's not a working class sport in England, Scotland and SA. But is everywhere else.

This Scarcens team have contributed loads to English Rugby. Without breaching the salary cap they wouldn't have been able to bring through half the players that drew the Lions tour in NZ or got to the world cup final. Nationally they've helped to increase interest in the game.

I'm pretty sure Mo Farah took drugs.... but everyone in athletics who can afford it is on drugs.

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Jan 20 2.58pm
Has Saracens invested in a stadium? Allianz is a dump without soul. Also, my only factual knowledge of their grass roots is that they have a pisspoor U8s team!!! Maybe they don't start caring until puberty and the raw materials are more obvious. Dunno. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Jan 20 2.58pm

Has Saracens invested in a stadium? Allianz is a dump without soul.

Also, my only factual knowledge of their grass roots is that they have a pisspoor U8s team!!! Maybe they don't start caring until puberty and the raw materials are more obvious. Dunno.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 20 3.23pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig Has Saracens invested in a stadium? Allianz is a dump without soul. Also, my only factual knowledge of their grass roots is that they have a pisspoor U8s team!!! Maybe they don't start caring until puberty and the raw materials are more obvious. Dunno. A few years ago research was conducted into youth set ups - only really Northampton and Saracens came out looking good. Presume teams like Exeter will have invested since but don't know much else. This was largely to look into the U19s set up in England and players coming through. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 20 3.23pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Has Saracens invested in a stadium? Allianz is a dump without soul.

Also, my only factual knowledge of their grass roots is that they have a pisspoor U8s team!!! Maybe they don't start caring until puberty and the raw materials are more obvious. Dunno.

A few years ago research was conducted into youth set ups - only really Northampton and Saracens came out looking good. Presume teams like Exeter will have invested since but don't know much else. This was largely to look into the U19s set up in England and players coming through.

Red and Blue Army!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 20 3.27pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC So by your logic then the USA should win every world Cup. Then again your logic slightly works as Argentina keep on thrashing you. Obviously the last couple of matches and the last World Cup still a sore point for you. Stick to Leinster as funded by the government and Irish Rugby along with all the rich people in Ireland - it seems right up your street. Your geography is excellent - to point out how clubs like Exeter, Northampton etc are supposed to compete with basically the national team. I hope you manage to naturalise a few more this year so it will be over the six you already fast tracked at the expense of your own. All in the name of being able to compete internationally at something, anything. No idea what youre rabbling on about soldier blu,argentina? usa? you keep supporting your birth country, im liking your optomism, but dont get sucked in by all the hype, england are no better than ireland or wales, but should be with 13 times the population of them, thats my point, and in a handicap system they would lose, with the unfair advantage of having a much bigger pool! But just remember, Leinster and toulouse are the liverpools of the european cup, 4 wins each, FACT, and saracens have 3 wins, FACT, so unless youre living in fantasy island, i would say Leinster and Toulouse are the most sucessful, but, maybe youre in fantasy island, nothing wrong with believing the hype, in your own world, long as it makes you happy!
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Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 20 3.27pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

No idea what youre rabbling on about soldier blu,argentina? usa? you keep supporting your birth country, im liking your optomism, but dont get sucked in by all the hype, england are no better than ireland or wales, but should be with 13 times the population of them, thats my point, and in a handicap system they would lose, with the unfair advantage of having a much bigger pool! But just remember, Leinster and toulouse are the liverpools of the european cup, 4 wins each, FACT, and saracens have 3 wins, FACT, so unless youre living in fantasy island, i would say Leinster and Toulouse are the most sucessful, but, maybe youre in fantasy island, nothing wrong with believing the hype, in your own world, long as it makes you happy!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 20 3.32pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Saracen's haven't been caught cheating, they've refused to open their books and the Premiership have hammered them for it. They've not breached European Cup rules, the European Cup is a stand alone business owned by ECR. This isn't anywhere near on the same level as financial doping in football where tyrants are using their wealth as a PR exercise and/or a security net. The wage cap is pretty much out of date. The owners ob Scarecens have invested heavily in a new stadium and a fantastic team. They've got an excellent training network from grass roots upwards for players across north london and Essex. The owners business plan is to create a super club than can compete with the French teams and Irish regions but are stifled by the £7m a year cap where only two players are exempt. What they've achieved in the last 4 years is incredible. 3 premiership titles and 3 european cups. Irish teams dont have to play week in week out in a competitive league and have an excellent nationally controlled recruitment system. French teams have unlimited money. There are not 65m people in England. There are 65m in the united kingdom. Theres about 50m in england, which only really plays rugby in private schools, which is about 7% of the population, round that number up a bit and they have about 5m players, still probably more than anywhere else. Similarly France only plays in the south west so the pool of players to choose from. In wales, rugby is the national identity. Over the last decade they have been excellent. I hope they build on their rwc and 6n success. Ireland are competing with all sorts of sports for talent, the do incredibly well at sport.... Scotland have barely any players to chose from. It's not a working class sport in England, Scotland and SA. But is everywhere else. This Scarcens team have contributed loads to English Rugby. Without breaching the salary cap they wouldn't have been able to bring through half the players that drew the Lions tour in NZ or got to the world cup final. Nationally they've helped to increase interest in the game. I'm pretty sure Mo Farah took drugs.... but everyone in athletics who can afford it is on drugs. Some good points all round mate, no rose tinted glasses for you!
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Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 20 3.32pm

Originally posted by jeeagles