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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 14 Jan 20 7.11am
2 appeals makes perfect sense. clear and obvious forces one ref to criticise another, or pressures a ref to admit a bad error if they try pitch side review. I'd like offside to be "full daylight". The game would be better with a goal or two more per match, which is all you'd get. Advantage the attacking team a little. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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2 appeals makes perfect sense.

clear and obvious forces one ref to criticise another, or pressures a ref to admit a bad error if they try pitch side review.

I'd like offside to be "full daylight". The game would be better with a goal or two more per match, which is all you'd get. Advantage the attacking team a little.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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dreamwaverider London 17 Jan 20 8.16am
All the players wear an electronic device between their shoulder blades. The ball is electronic. Use these devices as the point to measure and it is full proof. It will eliminate the need for human intervention. The machine willl beep in the refs ear if a player is offside immediately. No looking at screens etc. Identical to goal line technology. That hasn’t been questioned at all. Football resisted VAR for years when Blatter was at the helm. Now it is being used gingerly. If we are going to use technology then maximise its abilities. Full proof. Just like in the tennis. Nobody ever questions it. So for offside do this. For fouls etc, like the Meyer tackle I wouldn’t use it. THats what the ref is for. Even when VAR is used it is just a matter of opinion. That’s why we have a ref.
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All the players wear an electronic device between their shoulder blades. The ball is electronic. Use these devices as the point to measure and it is full proof. It will eliminate the need for human intervention. The machine willl beep in the refs ear if a player is offside immediately. No looking at screens etc.
Identical to goal line technology. That hasn’t been questioned at all. Football resisted VAR for years when Blatter was at the helm. Now it is being used gingerly. If we are going to use technology then maximise its abilities. Full proof. Just like in the tennis. Nobody ever questions it.
So for offside do this. For fouls etc, like the Meyer tackle I wouldn’t use it. THats what the ref is for. Even when VAR is used it is just a matter of opinion. That’s why we have a ref.

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stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 20 Jan 20 9.20pm
Why was the Liverpool goal disallowed? The alleged foul on the keeper that the ref didn't give happened well before the goal was scored. How far back can they go when checking for infringements? Edited by stuckinbristol (20 Jan 2020 9.23pm)
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Why was the Liverpool goal disallowed?
The alleged foul on the keeper that the ref didn't give happened well before the goal was scored.
How far back can they go when checking for infringements?

Edited by stuckinbristol (20 Jan 2020 9.23pm)

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Teddy Eagle 20 Jan 20 9.48pm
Originally posted by stuckinbristol Why was the Liverpool goal disallowed? The alleged foul on the keeper that the ref didn't give happened well before the goal was scored. How far back can they go when checking for infringements? Edited by stuckinbristol (20 Jan 2020 9.23pm) Dermot Gallagher explained (excused) it this morning by saying it was because de Gea had two hands in the ball when he collided with van Dijk so was deemed to be in control of the ball. He then added it’s the same as if the ball is on the ground and the keeper has one hand in it which was news to me - I thought one hand meant the opposing player could still go for it. Live and learn.
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20 Jan 20 9.48pm

Originally posted by stuckinbristol

Why was the Liverpool goal disallowed?
The alleged foul on the keeper that the ref didn't give happened well before the goal was scored.
How far back can they go when checking for infringements?

Edited by stuckinbristol (20 Jan 2020 9.23pm)

Dermot Gallagher explained (excused) it this morning by saying it was because de Gea had two hands in the ball when he collided with van Dijk so was deemed to be in control of the ball. He then added it’s the same as if the ball is on the ground and the keeper has one hand in it which was news to me - I thought one hand meant the opposing player could still go for it. Live and learn.

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samprior Hamburg 20 Jan 20 9.55pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig 2 appeals makes perfect sense. clear and obvious forces one ref to criticise another, or pressures a ref to admit a bad error if they try pitch side review. I'd like offside to be "full daylight". The game would be better with a goal or two more per match, which is all you'd get. Advantage the attacking team a little. I'm with you on advantage for attacking team. My suggestion would be if the heel of the furthest forward foot or rear shoulder is level then that is onside. It'd make checks a lot quicker as you're not having to dissalow goals for a toe nail. I still like VAR in principle and it was always going to be a work in progress. The NFL still votes on rule changes every year and I feel the premier league/ FA need to be more honest with its feedback. I also think overall it will level out big club/ small club decision bias. Other suggestions I would say is a set limit of how far back in a sequence things are being checked - I'd suggest 4 passes. Any rules will always create some controversial moments as there will always be some freak examples but in my opinion the areas to address first are rules which will make the speed of decision quicker and eradicate goals being disallowed when a player is 99% level. Edited by samprior (20 Jan 2020 9.57pm)
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Hamburg 20 Jan 20 9.55pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

2 appeals makes perfect sense.

clear and obvious forces one ref to criticise another, or pressures a ref to admit a bad error if they try pitch side review.

I'd like offside to be "full daylight". The game would be better with a goal or two more per match, which is all you'd get. Advantage the attacking team a little.

I'm with you on advantage for attacking team.

My suggestion would be if the heel of the furthest forward foot or rear shoulder is level then that is onside. It'd make checks a lot quicker as you're not having to dissalow goals for a toe nail.

I still like VAR in principle and it was always going to be a work in progress. The NFL still votes on rule changes every year and I feel the premier league/ FA need to be more honest with its feedback. I also think overall it will level out big club/ small club decision bias.

Other suggestions I would say is a set limit of how far back in a sequence things are being checked - I'd suggest 4 passes.

Any rules will always create some controversial moments as there will always be some freak examples but in my opinion the areas to address first are rules which will make the speed of decision quicker and eradicate goals being disallowed when a player is 99% level.

Edited by samprior (20 Jan 2020 9.57pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jan 20 7.55am
I was chatting to a Millwall mate last night his team unfortunately are doing well because he reckons they don't have VAR. He claimed if Millwall were in the PL they would be finding ways to disallow goals to get rid of them asap. It's funny most fans of small clubs think VAR will benefit them but not Millwall. Anyway here's hoping they stay where they are. One more point
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I was chatting to a Millwall mate last night his team unfortunately are doing well because he reckons they don't have VAR. He claimed if Millwall were in the PL they would be finding ways to disallow goals to get rid of them asap.

It's funny most fans of small clubs think VAR will benefit them but not Millwall. Anyway here's hoping they stay where they are.

One more point

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 20 1.57pm
I can think of many suggestions about where VAR should go. Red and Blue Army!
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I can think of many suggestions about where VAR should go.

Red and Blue Army!

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Feb 20 3.26pm
Wenger is suggesting a change to the offside rule. [Link] This will give the advantage back to the striker. According to Talksport there is a meeting of the rules committee next week and this has a real change of passing as Wenger is the official FIFA person for this. In simple terms if your elbow / hand is offside but the rest of you isn't then it's a goal. One more point
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Wenger is suggesting a change to the offside rule.

[Link]

This will give the advantage back to the striker. According to Talksport there is a meeting of the rules committee next week and this has a real change of passing as Wenger is the official FIFA person for this.

In simple terms if your elbow / hand is offside but the rest of you isn't then it's a goal.

One more point

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 20 3.45pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Wenger is suggesting a change to the offside rule. [Link] This will give the advantage back to the striker. According to Talksport there is a meeting of the rules committee next week and this has a real change of passing as Wenger is the official FIFA person for this. In simple terms if your elbow / hand is offside but the rest of you isn't then it's a goal. It just creates a new measurement that will need to be examined by VAR each time. May mean more goals but probably means even more VAR. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 20 3.45pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Wenger is suggesting a change to the offside rule.

[Link]

In simple terms if your elbow / hand is offside but the rest of you isn't then it's a goal.

It just creates a new measurement that will need to be examined by VAR each time. May mean more goals but probably means even more VAR.

Red and Blue Army!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 20 4.01pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC It just creates a new measurement that will need to be examined by VAR each time. May mean more goals but probably means even more VAR. I await the new proposal with interest. Wider line ? But flagged offside for a nose being marginally over that wider line? And if that player had a shorter nose he would have been onside. Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2020 4.06pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 20 4.01pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It just creates a new measurement that will need to be examined by VAR each time. May mean more goals but probably means even more VAR.

I await the new proposal with interest.
Wider line ? But flagged offside for a nose being marginally over that wider line? And if that player had a shorter nose he would have been onside.

Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2020 4.06pm)

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 Feb 20 4.39pm
Originally posted by Willo I await the new proposal with interest. Wider line ? But flagged offside for a nose being marginally over that wider line? And if that player had a shorter nose he would have been onside. Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2020 4.06pm) Dont worry too much about it Willo, IfaB have dissmissed any changes in this area at this time. The BBC link that was put up has been edited from 2 stories & merged into 1, coveniently ommiting the bit about IfaB not following thru with concrete change. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 Feb 20 4.39pm

Originally posted by Willo

I await the new proposal with interest.
Wider line ? But flagged offside for a nose being marginally over that wider line? And if that player had a shorter nose he would have been onside.

Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2020 4.06pm)

Dont worry too much about it Willo, IfaB have dissmissed any changes in this area at this time. The BBC link that was put up has been edited from 2 stories & merged into 1, coveniently ommiting the bit about IfaB not following thru with concrete change.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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crvenaeagle 24 Feb 20 12.57am
As I have said before the fact that new technology was brought in without first rewriting any of the rules to comply with it is ludicrous.
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24 Feb 20 12.57am

As I have said before the fact that new technology was brought in without first rewriting any of the rules to comply with it is ludicrous.

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