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Government cock-up thread 2019-2024
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 derby eagle  Derby 29 Dec 19 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I'm in my forties and have kids. What did I do wrong? I dont know...my guess is whether you had kids or not is unrelated to your possible wrongdoing!
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| derby eagle Derby 29 Dec 19 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
On the contrary. Government does decide things. It's just that the people who are doing the deciding are not who you think they are. Like I said conflating appointment decisions, practical control and policy decisions is not appropriate. You said, "what we see as government policy is in reality civil service policy". With all due respect, you should split you points into seperate discussions.
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| silvertop Portishead 29 Dec 19 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There are over 400,000 of them. Is Boris responsible for every mistake they make? Yes under the principle of collective responsibility. Personally I think this is a forgettable non event on a quiet news day that will be chip wrap by tomorrow Much better gaffs to come??
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Teddy Eagle  29 Dec 19 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yes under the principle of collective responsibility. Personally I think this is a forgettable non event on a quiet news day that will be chip wrap by tomorrow Much better gaffs to come?? Really? Some clerical officer with two weeks experience makes a mistake and Boris is to blame? They are Her Majesty’s Civil Service so why not blame the Queen? Or Denis Compton.
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| derby eagle Derby 29 Dec 19 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yes under the principle of collective responsibility. Personally I think this is a forgettable non event on a quiet news day that will be chip wrap by tomorrow Much better gaffs to come?? I dont agree it's a forgettable non event as personal details for such high profile people whatever you think about them, is a security risk. I agree there will be some bigger howlers to come though. With the proposed changes to the structure of Government planned by Cummings, Brexit and the political power shift transition, it will create a toxic environemnt and the fallout will be highly amusing.
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| derby eagle Derby 29 Dec 19 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? Some clerical officer with two weeks experience makes a mistake and Boris is to blame? They are Her Majesty’s Civil Service so why not blame the Queen? Or Denis Compton. So you think a clerical officer is responsible for this? I dont think Johnson has got fingered for this...just yet. Anyway ultimately any leader has to take responsibility for its subordinates.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Dec 19 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by derby eagle
So you think a clerical officer is responsible for this? I dont think Johnson has got fingered for this...just yet. Anyway ultimately any leader has to take responsibility for its subordinates. I think it’s highly unlikely that a Head of Department is responsible for emailing documents, so yes. I do.
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| Midlands Eagle 29 Dec 19 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by derby eagle
So you think a clerical officer is responsible for this? I dont think Johnson has got fingered for this...just yet. Anyway ultimately any leader has to take responsibility for its subordinates. Quite right and ultimate responsibility must rest with the Queen as head of the Government. She should be checking up on what the civil servants are doing rather than swanning off for Christmas
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Dec 19 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? Some clerical officer with two weeks experience makes a mistake and Boris is to blame? They are Her Majesty’s Civil Service so why not blame the Queen? Or Denis Compton. It's a Cabinet Office cock up.
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| silvertop Portishead 29 Dec 19 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? Some clerical officer with two weeks experience makes a mistake and Boris is to blame? They are Her Majesty’s Civil Service so why not blame the Queen? Or Denis Compton. Ibdudntvsay he is ACTUALLY to blame. I said he is constitutionally to blame under the convention of collective responsibility. A major civil service gaffe and the wholly blameless ministers head rolls. I don't make the rules...
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Dec 19 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Ibdudntvsay he is ACTUALLY to blame. I said he is constitutionally to blame under the convention of collective responsibility. A major civil service gaffe and the wholly blameless ministers head rolls. I don't make the rules... Sir Mark Sedwill then.
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| derby eagle Derby 29 Dec 19 6.28pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Quite right and ultimate responsibility must rest with the Queen as head of the Government. She should be checking up on what the civil servants are doing rather than swanning off for Christmas Quite bizzare but not surprising! The conversation descending into farce...if only a moderator could sort this out.
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