I read that David Lammy is going to stand. That would be so funny - he is even more unelectable than Corbyn.

Edited by georgenorman (17 Dec 2019 7.20pm)

Corbyn was the policy.
A face,a personality.
It's natural to see this.
Hence why he is labelled as the issue and reason why voters left labour in droves.

Waspi
Broadband
30000000000000 trees
Top 5 % taxes up (hard to believe it was enough)
Time for us to work out renationalisation would cost tons.
Neutral on brexit.
3 months to get a deal.
Momentum ingress.

Some might have been there in 2017 but many wernt.

Interesting how you slip the Brexit issue into the middle of what is essentially just manifesto fluff.

And neutral? No. Merely unwilling to say what he felt. But Labours OFFICAL policy was to go for a second referendum with a Leave deal that the very people who would supposedly be negotiating that admitting that would be voting against it.

Utter insanity. And all in the face of a constituency map which made the majority for Leave nearer to 65 v 35 rather than 52 v 48.

Meaning that any credible new leader has to be untainted by that madness. Because otherwise it gets thrown back into their face, time and time again.

If Labour even make another election can they really afford to have the ghosts of this disastrous second referendum policy bought up again?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

should have been Tom Watson but he resigned owing to being unable to support the 'macabre act of self harm' that is Brexit. also got done over by the nutter who blew the whistle on the paedo ring that apparently never was - even though several previous attempts to start a judicial enquiry kept mysteriously collapsing. Nandy's not ready, Starmer is Blair mark 2, but Labour needs someone who was in favour of sticking with the 2016 result and not having a second referendum - son of Kinnock is a good shout, what the party needs to do is have a constitution like the tories have where the members do have power but the MPs can't be bypassed - I am one with Alan Johnson where momentum are concerned, as for labour's economic policy it may have been unrealistic but re-nationalisation would not cost - paying off the shareholders is offset by the income received by selling whatever service, it's a matter of efficiency after the buy back, Corbyn was wrong in his analysis of privatisation going too far, it's semi-privatisation that's the problem, monopolistic gravy trains with too much overpaid management and no accountability are inefficient and only benefit the management hierarchy - consumers and workers suffer: carillion, Oxfam, the nhs, southern rail, academies run by private firms, the list of rotten corrupt badly run semi-private orgs is endless, and bojo will make it worse, so sad there isn't a quality advocate for a mixed economy where public infrastructure lowers the costs of the private sector instead of a monstrously over-bureaucratic economy which basically eats itself.

She does not need to be. That is the point. She has over 4 years to grow into the job.

But she has clean hands when it comes to this second referendum insanity and she is not tarnished by the Corbyn brand either. Represents a northern seat and from what I have seen of her on the TV comes accross well.

The next Labour leaders job is not about holding the Tories to account in Parliament because they can do what they want. Not even sure there is much milage in trying to hold up anything because the public seem sick to death of the usual fisticuffs.

But hitting those lost Labour seats, building up the local partys and generally trying to recapature those lost tribal votes, one by one, can make a difference.

Starmer is one of the people primarily responsible for Labour getting smashed in the way that it is and that awful Long-Bailey woman is just more of the tired old Corbynista school. Achieves nothing.

Labour are staring into an abyss at the moment and I am seeing nothing to suggest they have even fully comprehended what happened to them on Thursday. Because the leading candidates are not bright people. If they were, then they would have understood the anger out there over Brexit and their failure to honour what they pledged in 2017.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.