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cryrst The garden of England 02 Nov 19 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
The fact that it even happened in the first place. Okay, saying that 'nothing' is learned may be overly negative, but 'we will learn lessons from x' is a daily occurrence on our screens. There is always in life far more brushing under the carpet and diverting blame than there ever is learning. More so in our very own individual lives outside of the establishment.
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Invalid user 2019 03 Nov 19 12.17am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
More so in our very own individual lives outside of the establishment. I feel like it's also important to have answers to questions. 'If I'm in this situation what would I do?' There was shades of 9/11 to this in that people were told to 'stay put' and due to the one off nature of the event and with little else to go on, many did just that. If I ever find myself in a situation like this I'll be bolting for the exit.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Nov 19 7.07am | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
I feel like it's also important to have answers to questions. 'If I'm in this situation what would I do?' There was shades of 9/11 to this in that people were told to 'stay put' and due to the one off nature of the event and with little else to go on, many did just that. If I ever find myself in a situation like this I'll be bolting for the exit. But you would understand an instruction if it was to stay put or leave though.
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chris123 hove actually 03 Nov 19 7.57am | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
There's plenty of blame to go around but the pattern is that it's always innocent people that pay the price.. and that nobody is ever held to account, and nothing ever learned. And borne by the fact that there other buildings with the same or similar cladding caught in inertia.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 03 Nov 19 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
More so in our very own individual lives outside of the establishment. Trevor Phillips has done well to rein in some of the political correctness gone mad stuff which even unabashed liberals like myself are finding hard to take, esp the extreme trans stuff and people wanting to ban dressing up as Pocahontus at fancy dress parties in case native americans take offence, but seeing this I wonder if he is taking the Melanie Phillips route of lefty turning into daily mail columnist, the language issue is hardly an issue where this is concerned, its about what happens if there are not enough checks and balances to stop crooked business and crooked politicians doing grubby deals with indifference to their consequences
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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Nov 19 12.56pm | |
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This is nothing new but I have noticed recently that when we have this big enquiries all sorts of people come crawling out of the woodwork looking for a payday err I mean claiming to represent the community. That certainly seems to be the case with Grenfall all sorts of people were turning up saying that they had to be heard and whipping up the locals. I wonder how many millions have been spent on Lawyers fees. It seems these days you can't have an public enquiry without everybody being represented by a lawyer all at the taxpayers expense of course. Nice work if you can get it.
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Invalid user 2019 03 Nov 19 7.10pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
And borne by the fact that there other buildings with the same or similar cladding caught in inertia. Exactly. It's always someone elses problem, and if we get a Grenfell repeat they will no doubt be plenty more of reports and fingerpointing.. and little action.
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chris123 hove actually 04 Nov 19 10.03am | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Exactly. It's always someone elses problem, and if we get a Grenfell repeat they will no doubt be plenty more of reports and fingerpointing.. and little action. However, Moore-Bick’s report reveals that senior brigade officers were shown a slide presentation about the risks to “Tall Building Facades” in October 2016, eight months before the Grenfell tragedy. The document outlined a series of fires in Britain and overseas where flames had spread due to combustible cladding. Cotton was in charge of safety at the time of the presentation, but admitted to the inquiry that she had not seen it. The year before they'd been a presentation on the risks posed by Tall Building Facades to senior brigade officers. From the paper yesterday - Moore-Bick states in his report: “Even the commissioner herself, who had been in charge of safety and assurance at the LFB at the time of the Tall Building Facades slide presentation in 2016, admitted she was unfamiliar with it at the time of the Grenfell Tower fire. She could not explain why its circulation had been limited to a small group of fire engineers.”
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Invalid user 2019 05 Nov 19 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
But you would understand an instruction if it was to stay put or leave though. I think if you can't understand instructions and there is a huge fire, your inclination generally would be to leave. So not speaking English might not have been a drawback in that situation. Understanding the instructions to stay and putting too much stock in that unfortunately likely resulted in deaths.
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cryrst The garden of England 05 Nov 19 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
I think if you can't understand instructions and there is a huge fire, your inclination generally would be to leave. So not speaking English might not have been a drawback in that situation. Understanding the instructions to stay and putting too much stock in that unfortunately likely resulted in deaths. Instructions face to face yes but shouting to someone through smoke,,doors and around corners.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Nov 19 2.14pm | |
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I want to know if it turns out that someone had about 15 plugs from one socket and the fire was caused by a short - will it still be everyone else's fault? Particularly if it was then delayed in being reported?
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Fatherken 05 Nov 19 2.23pm | |
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The blame for Grenfell is modern day living .
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