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dannyboy1978 11 Feb 20 10.09pm
We dug the chanel tunnel, how come hs2 can't go underground, any ideas anyone?
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11 Feb 20 10.09pm

We dug the chanel tunnel, how come hs2 can't go underground, any ideas anyone?

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ex hibitionist Hastings 11 Feb 20 10.15pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 We dug the chanel tunnel, how come hs2 can't go underground, any ideas anyone? you've been watching reruns of Thunderbirds
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

We dug the chanel tunnel, how come hs2 can't go underground, any ideas anyone?

you've been watching reruns of Thunderbirds

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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Feb 20 8.04am
Well it's going to happen now I am not convinced it's good value for money however strategically we need a high speed rail network that covers the whole country, not just North South. The line between London and Birmingham may not really be required but if eventually you can get a high speed train from Scotland that connects to the high speed network in Europe then I guess that makes sense. The key thing here is the government has to deliver on the Northern powerhouse upgrades such as Manchester to Leeds that must also happen. Big Gamble for Boris. One more point
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Beckenham 12 Feb 20 8.04am

Well it's going to happen now I am not convinced it's good value for money however strategically we need a high speed rail network that covers the whole country, not just North South.

The line between London and Birmingham may not really be required but if eventually you can get a high speed train from Scotland that connects to the high speed network in Europe then I guess that makes sense.

The key thing here is the government has to deliver on the Northern powerhouse upgrades such as Manchester to Leeds that must also happen.

Big Gamble for Boris.

One more point

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Eaglecoops CR3 12 Feb 20 11.24am
Originally posted by Badger11 Well it's going to happen now I am not convinced it's good value for money however strategically we need a high speed rail network that covers the whole country, not just North South. The line between London and Birmingham may not really be required but if eventually you can get a high speed train from Scotland that connects to the high speed network in Europe then I guess that makes sense. The key thing here is the government has to deliver on the Northern powerhouse upgrades such as Manchester to Leeds that must also happen. Big Gamble for Boris. All of these schemes must happen. No more prison for offenders any more, its free labour on the chain gangs. Bring the army in to oversee them and shoot them if they try and escape. Let's get Britain moving again. Is that too radical?
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CR3 12 Feb 20 11.24am

Originally posted by Badger11

Well it's going to happen now I am not convinced it's good value for money however strategically we need a high speed rail network that covers the whole country, not just North South.

The key thing here is the government has to deliver on the Northern powerhouse upgrades such as Manchester to Leeds that must also happen.

Big Gamble for Boris.

All of these schemes must happen. No more prison for offenders any more, its free labour on the chain gangs. Bring the army in to oversee them and shoot them if they try and escape. Let's get Britain moving again. Is that too radical?

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Stirlingsays 12 Feb 20 12.09pm
Personally I view a high speed rail link from the bottom and top of the country as a no brainer for a first world country. From what I see, HS2 isn't even that ambitious. How that is achieved, costs and otherwise is a separate matter.....but there needs to be a fast, cheap, safe method of mass transportation if a modern country calls itself first world. There are social and security negatives, however these are separate questions. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2020 12.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Feb 20 12.09pm

Personally I view a high speed rail link from the bottom and top of the country as a no brainer for a first world country. From what I see, HS2 isn't even that ambitious.

How that is achieved, costs and otherwise is a separate matter.....but there needs to be a fast, cheap, safe method of mass transportation if a modern country calls itself first world.

There are social and security negatives, however these are separate questions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2020 12.10pm)

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dannyboy1978 12 Feb 20 1.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Personally I view a high speed rail link from the bottom and top of the country as a no brainer for a first world country. From what I see, HS2 isn't even that ambitious. How that is achieved, costs and otherwise is a separate matter.....but there needs to be a fast, cheap, safe method of mass transportation if a modern country calls itself first world. There are social and security negatives, however these are separate questions. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2020 12.10pm) Because you can doesn't always mean you always should. In 2035 when it's due to be completed will mean We have 5g and god knows what technology. In any case Computers are taking over most jobs and working from home is accelerating so the demand is reducing for rail. There was a case 30 years ago but not any more. This is no more than an excuse to filter money into the economy to try and grow it which is a diffrent question altogether.
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12 Feb 20 1.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Personally I view a high speed rail link from the bottom and top of the country as a no brainer for a first world country. From what I see, HS2 isn't even that ambitious.

How that is achieved, costs and otherwise is a separate matter.....but there needs to be a fast, cheap, safe method of mass transportation if a modern country calls itself first world.

There are social and security negatives, however these are separate questions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2020 12.10pm)

Because you can doesn't always mean you always should.
In 2035 when it's due to be completed will mean We have 5g and god knows what technology.
In any case Computers are taking over most
jobs and working from home is accelerating so the demand is reducing for rail.

There was a case 30 years ago but not any more. This is no more than an excuse to filter money into the economy to try and grow it which is a diffrent question altogether.

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jeeagles 12 Feb 20 1.51pm
Originally posted by jeeagles It's a line that goes though several "key marginal constituencies" and a "brave" political decision. Best to get a inquiry in place before an election and ensure the outcome of it is announced afterwards to minimise the impact on votes. Phase 1 on its own offers the lowest benefit. It may even have been better to start in the north and work their way down, but it's been assessed as a stand alone project. For phase 1 land had been bought and construction has started. Stopping halt way through would cost loads and deliver £0 economic benefit. Might as well finish it, especially if some of the funding is borrowed money from private sources. The real benefits will come when phases 2 and beyond are added. Smart move to win votes in the north and to protect countryside constituencies by Boris. Meanwhile Corbyn let the RMT strike in the run up to the GE. Would be better to start building it in from north to south as that's where the biggest need for new infrastructure is, but we are where we are now. Also. Don't build anything to Scotland unless the SNP get ousted.
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12 Feb 20 1.51pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

It's a line that goes though several "key marginal constituencies" and a "brave" political decision.

Best to get a inquiry in place before an election and ensure the outcome of it is announced afterwards to minimise the impact on votes.

Phase 1 on its own offers the lowest benefit. It may even have been better to start in the north and work their way down, but it's been assessed as a stand alone project.

For phase 1 land had been bought and construction has started. Stopping halt way through would cost loads and deliver £0 economic benefit. Might as well finish it, especially if some of the funding is borrowed money from private sources.

The real benefits will come when phases 2 and beyond are added.

Smart move to win votes in the north and to protect countryside constituencies by Boris. Meanwhile Corbyn let the RMT strike in the run up to the GE.

Would be better to start building it in from north to south as that's where the biggest need for new infrastructure is, but we are where we are now.

Also. Don't build anything to Scotland unless the SNP get ousted.

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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Feb 20 2.40pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops All of these schemes must happen. No more prison for offenders any more, its free labour on the chain gangs. Bring the army in to oversee them and shoot them if they try and escape. Let's get Britain moving again. Is that too radical? Eaglecoops for PM. One more point
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Beckenham 12 Feb 20 2.40pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Eaglecoops for PM.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 12 Feb 20 2.40pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Because you can doesn't always mean you always should. In 2035 when it's due to be completed will mean We have 5g and god knows what technology. In any case Computers are taking over most jobs and working from home is accelerating so the demand is reducing for rail. There was a case 30 years ago but not any more. This is no more than an excuse to filter money into the economy to try and grow it which is a diffrent question altogether. I think your technology point is always a valid one but it's like the 'when should I upgrade my PC' question. There isn't such a thing as a definitive answer (though I'd say for PCs always wait till after the Xbox/PS5 console releases at Xmas) The alternative transportation technologies that people like Musk are looking into are very hit and miss and may not be suitable for our geography....in the meantime we don't have a fast method of connecting the country. Once the connections and infrastructure are there it can always bn used for later technology....just like roman roads made way for main ones. But I take all your points.....I think being against HS2 is a perfectly legitimate position....I suppose I'm in the....'we need to upgrade' camp. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2020 2.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Feb 20 2.40pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

There was a case 30 years ago but not any more. This is no more than an excuse to filter money into the economy to try and grow it which is a diffrent question altogether.

I think your technology point is always a valid one but it's like the 'when should I upgrade my PC' question. There isn't such a thing as a definitive answer (though I'd say for PCs always wait till after the Xbox/PS5 console releases at Xmas)

The alternative transportation technologies that people like Musk are looking into are very hit and miss and may not be suitable for our geography....in the meantime we don't have a fast method of connecting the country.

Once the connections and infrastructure are there it can always bn used for later technology....just like roman roads made way for main ones.

But I take all your points.....I think being against HS2 is a perfectly legitimate position....I suppose I'm in the....'we need to upgrade' camp.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2020 2.43pm)

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Stirlingsays 12 Feb 20 2.46pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Because you can doesn't always mean you always should. In 2035 when it's due to be completed will mean We have 5g and god knows what technology. In any case Computers are taking over most jobs and working from home is accelerating so the demand is reducing for rail. There was a case 30 years ago but not any more. This is no more than an excuse to filter money into the economy to try and grow it which is a diffrent question altogether. All good points. I still think you need the means to quickly get from top to bottom for a first world country but I won't deny you're part of good arguments against. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Feb 20 2.46pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

There was a case 30 years ago but not any more. This is no more than an excuse to filter money into the economy to try and grow it which is a diffrent question altogether.

All good points.

I still think you need the means to quickly get from top to bottom for a first world country but I won't deny you're part of good arguments against.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 12 Feb 20 2.51pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops All of these schemes must happen. No more prison for offenders any more, its free labour on the chain gangs. Bring the army in to oversee them and shoot them if they try and escape. Let's get Britain moving again. Is that too radical? I'll vote for it and I am sure I am not alone! Edited by Bexley Eagle (12 Feb 2020 2.52pm)
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Bexley Kent 12 Feb 20 2.51pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I'll vote for it and I am sure I am not alone!

Edited by Bexley Eagle (12 Feb 2020 2.52pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 13 Feb 20 5.49am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Funny how the Victorians could do this and more easily. And entrepreneurs would pay for it. That's PFI and it's not working very well for most councils who took it on. Excessive costs for excessive amounts of time. HS2 costs will be taken annually not in one lump. 10 billion is 1 % a year from the uks finances. If everyone with a mortgage had to find it in one go wed all be homeless.
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The garden of England 13 Feb 20 5.49am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Funny how the Victorians could do this and more easily. And entrepreneurs would pay for it.

That's PFI and it's not working very well for most councils who took it on.
Excessive costs for excessive amounts of time.
HS2 costs will be taken annually not in one lump.
10 billion is 1 % a year from the uks finances.
If everyone with a mortgage had to find it in one go wed all be homeless.

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