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Teddy Eagle 01 Aug 19 11.57am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Predictable and "interesting" though this discussion might be what is the connection to "lefties"? Why should people with this situation necessarily be of the "left"? It is just an assumption that if you are on the "right" these kinds of things cannot happen to you, so they must be on the "left"? There might not be any direct connection but this is a cause which has been taken up most vehemently by those regarded as social justice warriors whose mindset is antithetical to people with a more traditional outlook.
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01 Aug 19 11.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Predictable and "interesting" though this discussion might be what is the connection to "lefties"?

Why should people with this situation necessarily be of the "left"?

It is just an assumption that if you are on the "right" these kinds of things cannot happen to you, so they must be on the "left"?

There might not be any direct connection but this is a cause which has been taken up most vehemently by those regarded as social justice warriors whose mindset is antithetical to people with a more traditional outlook.

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Invalid user 2019 01 Aug 19 12.00pm
Originally posted by W12 [Link] The stated view is that the feeling of being distressed due to the mismatch between your birth sex and perception of your gender is a disorder. Not feeling aligned with a different sex in and of itself. As in many of these individuals may well seek one or more ways not to feel distressed about this situation, and if the result of that is that they are happier with their life then for all intents and purposes they no longer have a problem.
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01 Aug 19 12.00pm

Originally posted by W12

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The stated view is that the feeling of being distressed due to the mismatch between your birth sex and perception of your gender is a disorder. Not feeling aligned with a different sex in and of itself.

As in many of these individuals may well seek one or more ways not to feel distressed about this situation, and if the result of that is that they are happier with their life then for all intents and purposes they no longer have a problem.

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Invalid user 2019 01 Aug 19 12.01pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider This is a very good thought provoking post compared to my shallow but honest and factual view. The problem that the guy in the video faces is his belief that he is having monthly 'periods' and directly comparing that to the currently impossible, e.g. that of a female period. As you say, if that helps him cope with life on an increasingly fast changing planet in many ways, then good luck to him. However, at some point we need to consider and decide as a society many different views on whether this chap should be informed of the reality or not. Thank you kindly!
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01 Aug 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

This is a very good thought provoking post compared to my shallow but honest and factual view. The problem that the guy in the video faces is his belief that he is having monthly 'periods' and directly comparing that to the currently impossible, e.g. that of a female period.
As you say, if that helps him cope with life on an increasingly fast changing planet in many ways, then good luck to him.
However, at some point we need to consider and decide as a society many different views on whether this chap should be informed of the reality or not.

Thank you kindly!

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Invalid user 2019 01 Aug 19 12.10pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That’s a very fair summation. Body dysmorphia is part of the human condition to some degree - the cosmetics industry could be regarded as based on it to an extent but the definition could be extended to include the diet industry, gym culture/bodybuilding all the way to hair replacement treatment and maybe even fashion. There are more important problems in life than someone else’s gender struggle. Anyone who wants to take hormones and have a nip/tuck can have at it without broadcasting the fact to the world. Thanks. Yes, there is a female to male trans person in the extended family and I think it's dealt with in the typical British way, of nobody ever really mentioning it including them . But they are very much a respected and liked part of the family and I think that's how it should be. I can imagine dating would be tricky to say the least, but life is full of unusual couples, and I'm sure there's someone out there looking for Arthur formally Martha. Now time for me to swiftly exit before it inevitably turns into the usual pure politicisation, left and right, rather than the people. Same as every other thread on here! Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 12.29pm)
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01 Aug 19 12.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That’s a very fair summation. Body dysmorphia is part of the human condition to some degree - the cosmetics industry could be regarded as based on it to an extent but the definition could be extended to include the diet industry, gym culture/bodybuilding all the way to hair replacement treatment and maybe even fashion.
There are more important problems in life than someone else’s gender struggle. Anyone who wants to take hormones and have a nip/tuck can have at it without broadcasting the fact to the world.

Thanks.

Yes, there is a female to male trans person in the extended family and I think it's dealt with in the typical British way, of nobody ever really mentioning it including them . But they are very much a respected and liked part of the family and I think that's how it should be. I can imagine dating would be tricky to say the least, but life is full of unusual couples, and I'm sure there's someone out there looking for Arthur formally Martha.

Now time for me to swiftly exit before it inevitably turns into the usual pure politicisation, left and right, rather than the people. Same as every other thread on here!

Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 12.29pm)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Aug 19 12.15pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle There might not be any direct connection but this is a cause which has been taken up most vehemently by those regarded as social justice warriors whose mindset is antithetical to people with a more traditional outlook. In their bid for equality, the radical left tell us that men and women are equal. So much so that they think that men can be women and women can be men. They are outraged if people question men competing in women's sport. All these ideas are pushed through by left-wing outlets such as Vice, Vox and Huffington Post. Political correctness is bullying. And they've bullied corporations into changing toilets to gender neutral and governments into making it offence to call someone by the wrong pronoun. “ze”, “ey”, “hir”, “xe”, “hen”, “ve”, “ne”, “per”, “thon”, “Mx” are some of the pronouns instead of "him" and "her". It's currently an offence in California - and possibly Canada - which could lead to prison. Another example of free speech being eroded by the state controlling our language, something the Nazis or Communists would be proud of. Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 12.16pm)
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Beckenham 01 Aug 19 12.15pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

In their bid for equality, the radical left tell us that men and women are equal. So much so that they think that men can be women and women can be men. They are outraged if people question men competing in women's sport. All these ideas are pushed through by left-wing outlets such as Vice, Vox and Huffington Post.

Political correctness is bullying. And they've bullied corporations into changing toilets to gender neutral and governments into making it offence to call someone by the wrong pronoun.

“ze”, “ey”, “hir”, “xe”, “hen”, “ve”, “ne”, “per”, “thon”, “Mx” are some of the pronouns instead of "him" and "her". It's currently an offence in California - and possibly Canada - which could lead to prison.

Another example of free speech being eroded by the state controlling our language, something the Nazis or Communists would be proud of.

Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 12.16pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 12.16pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle There might not be any direct connection but this is a cause which has been taken up most vehemently by those regarded as social justice warriors whose mindset is antithetical to people with a more traditional outlook. From a right wing opinion that might be true but it's disingenuous to make it the title when the subject is actually about trans people. Evidence of bias perhaps? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 12.16pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

From a right wing opinion that might be true but it's disingenuous to make it the title when the subject is actually about trans people.

Evidence of bias perhaps?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Aug 19 12.31pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Is it not possible their mental illness stems from the fact they don’t feel at home in the own body? I don’t do a great deal about trans people, but it seems quite obvious that someone going through that sort of battle internally is going to have issues with mental health - by ‘not enabling them to chop their codgers off’ how are we helping that? A few months back a doctor on LBC stated this was a major problem as over 75% of full change trans regretted their decision within 15 years. This in turn increased the suicide rate. He said it was a mental issue which with the correct help could be overcome. He said it was too easy to get your decision agreed and a radical change was needed in the initial assessments of these people both Male and female. Food for thought from a professional with real stats.
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The garden of England 01 Aug 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Is it not possible their mental illness stems from the fact they don’t feel at home in the own body?

I don’t do a great deal about trans people, but it seems quite obvious that someone going through that sort of battle internally is going to have issues with mental health - by ‘not enabling them to chop their codgers off’ how are we helping that?

A few months back a doctor on LBC stated this was a major problem as over 75% of full change trans regretted their decision within 15 years.
This in turn increased the suicide rate.
He said it was a mental issue which with the correct help could be overcome.
He said it was too easy to get your decision agreed and a radical change was needed in the initial assessments of these people both Male and female.
Food for thought from a professional with real stats.

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W12 01 Aug 19 12.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Predictable and "interesting" though this discussion might be what is the connection to "lefties"? Why should people with this situation necessarily be of the "left"? It is just an assumption that if you are on the "right" these kinds of things cannot happen to you, so they must be on the "left"? Because the left has gone mental. Do you need examples?
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W12 01 Aug 19 12.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Predictable and "interesting" though this discussion might be what is the connection to "lefties"?

Why should people with this situation necessarily be of the "left"?

It is just an assumption that if you are on the "right" these kinds of things cannot happen to you, so they must be on the "left"?

Because the left has gone mental. Do you need examples?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Aug 19 12.38pm
Originally posted by cryrst A few months back a doctor on LBC stated this was a major problem as over 75% of full change trans regretted their decision within 15 years. This in turn increased the suicide rate. He said it was a mental issue which with the correct help could be overcome. He said it was too easy to get your decision agreed and a radical change was needed in the initial assessments of these people both Male and female. Food for thought from a professional with real stats. So now we trust experts - interesting.
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Originally posted by cryrst

So now we trust experts - interesting.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Aug 19 12.49pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So now we trust experts - interesting. I trust millions of years of biology. There are only two sexes – men and women.
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Beckenham 01 Aug 19 12.49pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So now we trust experts - interesting.

I trust millions of years of biology. There are only two sexes – men and women.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 12.54pm
Originally posted by W12 Because the left has gone mental. Do you need examples? Do you want me to enter that into the "most ridiculous comment of the year" competition? You must have a really good chance of winning with that one! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 12.54pm

Originally posted by W12

Because the left has gone mental. Do you need examples?

Do you want me to enter that into the "most ridiculous comment of the year" competition?

You must have a really good chance of winning with that one!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Aug 19 12.57pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I trust millions of years of biology. There are only two sexes – men and women. Great, so do I.
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SE19 01 Aug 19 12.57pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I trust millions of years of biology. There are only two sexes – men and women.

Great, so do I.

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