It's hard to see how America isn't heading for internal conflict certainly. Once demographics mean that the Republicans can't win and you end up with a socialist America....an awful number of normies are going to wake up to what's been taken....and a lot of them have guns.

That'll be a dark time and definitely a world recession.

I'm not so sure what's going to happen here....but I know there is considerable malcontent, which is only going to grow.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2019 7.26pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Trump is America's Thatcher there behind us politically as a newer nation give it 20 years and they will be in exactly the same mess as we are now

walking down the holmesdale road to see the palace aces!

Reagan was like Thatcher. I don’t see how Trump is. Apart from Trump’s America and Thatcher’s Britain being in long term decline before they took over, I don’t see the similarity.

You can just as easily say Bliar and Brown were just as or more to blame. Thatcher eventually got everyone back to work, apart from pockets of the country. New labour paid people to not work and claim incapacity benefits long term. They then spent all they could to the extent that when an inevitable recession came in the economic life cycle Brown thought he’d eliminated for good, there was little borrowing left for anything more after some banks were bailed out.

While that was going on new labour encouraged millions of east Europeans to come and work where our young people could’ve and should’ve been trained. The working classes fought back in the Brexit referendum.

Thatcher is seen as evil and cthe cause of everything, whereas new labour get off lightly because they mean well. Well that’s if you don’t look closely, and what about housing and housing market reforms? Nothing. It was all about power and appealing to all income and wealth groups, which is why we ended up skint and paying for it now.

They’re all good and bad.

COYP

Evidence of the west "coninuing" towards the looney left.

Did you go to sleep in 1968 and just woke up?

The non punishment of homosexuality is a positive thing.....However, while it is a natural occurrence in nature it's a minority sexuality and it's very bad for birth rates.

It shouldn't be promoted as equal to the traditional family model and especially not to children.....and that is currently happening.

Birth control.....when it refers to abortion is just a nicer way of referring to the killing of the unborn child.

'Universal suffrage'.....initially a good thing.....but on average women are more empathic as they are designed to deal with and raise children and hence they universally vote majority left....this brings in more social liberalism....which isn't always a good thing.

The death penalty was only removed because the state made mistakes due to poorly constructed rule sets and procedures....the Christie and the Derek Bentley cases spring to mind.

However, when guilt is certain it is an appropriate outcome for certain severe cases.....hence it needs to be used sparingly....as in Japan.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jun 2019 12.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I am not actually in Cornwall right now. I am in the Philippines where for the last 20 years I have spent several months each year. This though is a brief visit. Spending time in a very different culture does though bring it' rewards on how you see your own.

I definitely don't think things are "going to continue as they are"! Everything evolves and changes as a response. The difficulty I have with the arguments that you and others here try to make is that they are not evolutionary at all. They are regressive and seek to return us to a time and to conditions that no longer exist and cannot be recreated.

Globalisation is a fact. It's just part of the tide of history which cannot be resisted. So we must work with it to our advantage or be consumed by it.

Just seeing problems doesn't produce answers. If the answers that are proposed make no sense and are undeliverable populist clap trap then all we do is waste the time we could be better spending swimming with the tide rather than against it.

Our security services see the threats OK. Not just from Islamic fundamentalism but also from far right wing terrorism and the cyber warfare coming from Russia and China. I don't think they have much sympathy for populist movements that seek to take advantage of any of such threats.

Incidentally I spent the last two days with a guy who used to live in New York, has met Trump and had some business dealings with him. More of that at the appropriate time.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.