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Stirlingsays 17 Apr 19 11.28pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Yes, as they say 'the more things change the more they stay the same'. The configuration shifts from time to time but the game remains the same. Ain't that the truth.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Apr 19 10.30am | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Child marriage appears to align in a rather unfortunate manner with some religions. If a player was in the team posting pictures of young girls on Instagram and saying 'If only I could marry this one' and more concerning comments, would you support that too? It's the same principle. Religious texts, including Christianity, contain all kind of beliefs that are either considered extreme or shocking in the modern world. Are you saying that anything written within these books is perfectly legitimate just because it's based on religious belief? Child marriage is against the law in general. However, even on our own doorstep we have special marriage licenses given out to Travellers and Gypsies who are underage - as they are a recognised ethnicity. You probably were not aware of this.
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chris123 hove actually 18 Apr 19 11.32am | |
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Free speech trumps everything in my view.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Apr 19 11.48am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Free speech trumps everything in my view. Free speech is part of the US Constitution. Even then, for example, people were not free to espouse communist views, for example.
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Invalid user 2019 18 Apr 19 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Child marriage is against the law in general. However, even on our own doorstep we have special marriage licenses given out to Travellers and Gypsies who are underage - as they are a recognised ethnicity. You probably were not aware of this. You ought try to your stick to your own argument "- surely it is wrongful dismissal to be sacked for expressing religious beliefs? " you said. I'm choosing examples of 'beliefs' that society rightly takes issue with. By your own logic you would have to support a player stating these creepy beliefs too if they were based on his genuine religious beliefs. My view instead is that to some extent it clearly depends on what the belief is, and if indeed it does depend on what the view is, then it's a matter of interpretation or nuance. Believe what you like, but if you say "- surely it is wrongful dismissal to be sacked for expressing religious beliefs? " make up your mind about whether you actually believe it before you type it. Edited by dollardays (18 Apr 2019 12.11pm)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Apr 19 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
You ought try to your stick to your own argument "- surely it is wrongful dismissal to be sacked for expressing religious beliefs? " you said. I'm choosing examples of 'beliefs' that society rightly takes issue with. By your own logic you would have to support a player stating these creepy beliefs too if they were based on his genuine religious beliefs. My view instead is that to some extent it clearly depends on what the belief is, and if indeed it does depend on what the view is, then it's a matter of interpretation or nuance. Believe what you like, but if you say "- surely it is wrongful dismissal to be sacked for expressing religious beliefs? " make up your mind about whether you actually believe it before you type it. Edited by dollardays (18 Apr 2019 12.11pm) There is actually no contradiction in my argument. I don't support or believe in what Folau said.
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Invalid user 2019 18 Apr 19 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
There is actually no contradiction in my argument. I don't support or believe in what Folau said. I've not said that you agree with anything he says. I'm saying that you either believe that it's wrong to dismiss someone for expressing all and any religious beliefs, as you professed, or you don't. No matter how far those views differ from those held by the modern world or what religion they are. As stated, by your own logic, you'd be there defending a rugby player repeatedly publicly declaring a love of very young girls "because it's his genuinely held religous belief" and "okay with his god". I seriously doubt you'd be doing that. I would find those views repellent and they lead to real world harm to others. I also to an extent believe that about Folaus views. It's not 'just a view' just because you personally don't care about what he's saying. There are real life consequences through hate spread through religion and this is an example of it. And what if a player is essentially telling another team member that they're going to hell? Great for the team dynamic. Or there are two muslim players and one leaves the religion, I think we all know what the islamic view of Apostasy is. It becomes absurd to give an endless stamp of approval within a team dynamic of any and all bizarre religious prattlings when they impact the team, take the focus away from it, and continue despite being previously warned. I don't much care if they are "genuinely held beliefs". It's fantasy and beyond a point if people believe things that are either dangerous, damaging, counter to the society they're within, or against commercial interests that will get factored in as it was here. Edited by dollardays (18 Apr 2019 1.31pm)
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stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 18 Apr 19 12.40pm | |
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As a side note, my son was at school with the Vinipola boys.
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Invalid user 2019 18 Apr 19 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by stuckinbristol
As a side note, my son was at school with the Vinipola boys. Start as you mean to go on, haha
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Maine Eagle USA 18 Apr 19 1.33pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Free speech trumps everything in my view. There is no such thing, nor should there be. Unless you want paedo instruction manuals on your newsagents walls detailing how to groom and abduct small children. There is a line.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Apr 19 2.02pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
I've not said that you agree with anything he says. I'm saying that you either believe that it's wrong to dismiss someone for expressing all and any religious beliefs, as you professed, or you don't. No matter how far those views differ from those held by the modern world or what religion they are. As stated, by your own logic, you'd be there defending a rugby player repeatedly publicly declaring a love of very young girls "because it's his genuinely held religous belief" and "okay with his god". I seriously doubt you'd be doing that. I would find those views repellent and they lead to real world harm to others. I also to an extent believe that about Folaus views. It's not 'just a view' just because you personally don't care about what he's saying. There are real life consequences through hate spread through religion and this is an example of it. And what if a player is essentially telling another team member that they're going to hell? Great for the team dynamic. Or there are two muslim players and one leaves the religion, I think we all know what the islamic view of Apostasy is. It becomes absurd to give an endless stamp of approval within a team dynamic of any and all bizarre religious prattlings when they impact the team, take the focus away from it, and continue despite being previously warned. I don't much care if they are "genuinely held beliefs". It's fantasy and beyond a point if people believe things that are either dangerous, damaging, counter to the society they're within, or against commercial interests that will get factored in as it was here. Edited by dollardays (18 Apr 2019 1.31pm) Fair enough. Believe me I can see your point. I don't really see the connection with protecting Peados though. Peadophiles is rightly a crime in our society. Edited by ASCPFC (18 Apr 2019 2.03pm)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Apr 19 2.08pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Free speech trumps everything in my view. This is a great line for demonstrating the power of punctuation. Free speech: Trump's everything in my view. Sorry Chris - not meaning to say that is your view. Just thought this funny.
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