Anyone with half a brain knows the cause of this tragedy.

According to the web, Liverpool have played 5 competitive games at Wembley stadium since it re-opened in 2007 and you say Everton have played there twice, so there’s 7 games already and these are the ones I refer to and was involved with.

Whilst Millwall (and most other teams for that matter) have had supporters ejected from Wembley these are generally for offences involving drunkenness, disorder or offensive language and not unauthorised entry. What stands out with the two big Merseyside clubs are the number of people ejected for unauthorised entry, ie without tickets or using forgeries. The figures are astronomical when compared to ALL other clubs who have played there. This is not a one off either, as I say it is each and every time they have played there and the pattern is so evident because there are so many other games and clubs to compare them against.

There seems to be a blatant disregard for compliance with ground entry conditions and it is just ‘get in to see the game at all costs no matter how it is done or what the consequences are’.

Because of the layout and large open spaces outside the numerous entrances at the new Wembley Stadium, it is more forgeries and tactics of getting those already inside to open emergency exits or jumping the turnstiles etc. than concerted pressure on a particular ‘Away’ section ingress or egress but these are the tactics I have witnessed Liverpool supporters use a number of times, particularly at Chelsea and on occasion at Fulham and Arsenal (Emirates). One would expect Liverpool would be the last set of supporters to do or try this following Hillsborough but sadly, far from it, in my experience they are the worst.

The Warrington verdict has taken into account what you refuse to, that there too few entry points to Leppings Lane. They even had turnstiles available that they didn’t use in order to “maintain segregation.” That decision was made by senior police officials above Duckenfield, SWFC & the FA. Why do you refuse to face facts? Why do you totally refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming failures of those whose duty it was to ensure the safety of those who attended? If there were “hordes of drunken, ticketless supporters,” which the CCTV cameras conclusively showed was not the case, where were the contingency plans to deal with them? Why did Duckenfield order Exit Gate C opened & then tell the FA’s Graham Kelly that it was forced open? That was a material lie that he admits he told. It is in the Warrington transcript which you so cavalierly dismiss.

You have dismissed me as someone who thinks I know more than I really do. Here is what I do know. I was a Selhurst Park Steward from February 1990 until the end of the 1991-92 season when I returned to New York after my father’s death. I was the Senior Steward of the “Executive” Car Park, which meant I had responsibilities both before & after all matches played at Selhurst plus reserve & floodlit youth matches played at Plough Lane. During Selhurst matches I filled in where needed during play. I had the honor to work for some of the finest people in the business; Senior Steward Ted Gammons & Assistant Chief Ron Greatorex as well as the outstanding PCs of the South Norwood station of the Metropolitan Police, led by Chief Superintendent George Crawford & a founder of the National Football Intelligence Task Force SGT John Baldock. They were the best of the best. I cannot imagine any of them leaving main access points unmanned as they were at Hillsborough. I can’t imagine any of them ordering the closure of turnstiles. I certainly can’t see Chief Super Crawford freezing to the point of totally ignoring what he could plainly see as Duckenfield did. He had a clear view of the shelf terrace from the Control Box. What was the man thinking? According to all objective evidence, including his own, he wasn’t thinking at all. Neither were the responsible officials of the FA or SWFC. It isn’t all Duckenfield’s fault but as all objective evidence shows a strong case for negligence exists. The level of that negligence is a matter for a jury.

I have read all the material pertaining to Hillsborough from Lord Justice Taylor’s report all the way through to Warrington. Have you? I sincerely doubt it.

Edited by kenbarr (18 Apr 2019 3.54am)

You may want to have a look here, no need to read anything just look at the pic:

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Whether they had tickets or not there was a crowd surge which the police failed to control.

For the younger fans a last minute rush at any ground was quite common back in the day. Millwall friends were at Hilborough a few weeks before and have told me a similar rush happened that day so they were not surprised when tragedy struck.

This is the real lesson from Hilborough that this type of situation was a common occurrence at football grounds so it was forseeable and the authorities did nothing to prevent it.

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