The 'why give that guy a platform' point at the beginning – constant dross. Everyone should have a platform, as long as it's balanced, well moderated debate.

The Sandy Hook thing annoys me though. He's not innocent in that – it's fine to privately think it's not real then actually once you've properly researched it realise it was.

But broadcast that to an audience of conspiracy theorists then cry about being labelled the 'it wasn't real' guy? I mean, you've got to take some culpability here. This is the main problem with most internet mouthpieces – it's all for ratings, f*** the fact checking. Yes it happens with 'traditional' media, but at least they have some half decent journalists still working for them.

It amuses me he's annoyed at being labelled as everything he's not when he in fact perpetuated and labelled Sandy Hook as fake. It works both ways. Cause and effect, really. Enrage people that suffered and knew it was real, plus stir up the lefties by appearing to be a right leaning conspiracy nut, and you'll get all sorts back.

'Oh hang on I've finally done my research and retract everything I said' doesn't really work that well on the internet. He of all people should know that as that's what he profits off. He would do well to take a more measured, professional approach to such sensitive topics next time.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

The problem with the right is that there's a distinct lack of figureheads that aren't either naive, ranty or smart enough to play the media at their own game. Lennon, for example. This Jones guy definitely falls into that category – he's pretty annoying to listen to, even if he has some genuinely interesting points of view. Rogan on the other hand comes across as much more credible, calm, balanced and well read. You know, something that makes you sit up and take notice.

Also of course the mainstream media is. This is not a new thing. What irritates me is the assertion that this is a recent phenomenon and exclusive to the left. Cracks me up. If it was right wing media, exactly the same thing would be happening. Centrist. Same thing. Doesn't matter. Same difference when it comes to power, manipulation and the media.

If you're not smart enough to be curious or cynical in an objective way (95% of the population) then what, exactly, is ever going to change?

Peterson, although a bit of a lemon, does have some very interesting points of view and is mostly calm, collected and fairly objective. This is best demoed in some of the Far left interviews he's done where these people have gone in determined that he's some form of monster and by the end had a reasoned debate. That's how it should be, and I'd think that's why he is so successful (although some of his pseudo science/philosophy is a little annoying) even though he's not really far right, and doesn't label himself as such.

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Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Haha. He is a bit nuts.

I'd wholeheartedly agree that there will be a post-human era, but to extrapolate that into 'the deal has already been done', aliens etc. Just, what.

Starts by making interesting points then explodes into a stream of unfiltered babble.

Learn how to debate and construct and argument! No one is ever going to take you seriously when you make leaps like that. I am going to get through this but very close to switching off. Absolute inner monologue.

Doesn't matter who you are or what your 'ideology' is, if you have this kind of approach you are doomed to fail.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Strong.

Owen Jones is indeed annoying. But he's far less prone to drowning would could be very interesting topics of discussion in ranty psychobabble.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

For me, it isn't just about figureheads on the 'right'. It also includes critics and opponents of how society is traveling, especially social media and the MSM....for example, Tim Pool is an example of a highly intelligent figure celebrated by many on the right but who isn't actually right wing himself.....just fiercely first amendment.

Outside of the McCarthy era in the US I'm not remembering a time where the right suppressed and deplatformed the left. Indeed, the evidence is that....unlike what is happening now those on the right would employ and promote people on the left....Now the left control these institutions they aren't doing the same.....O’Sullivan’s First Law is a good commentary on that.

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If people want dry political discourse then they have the political parties.

Robinson is a nationalist who is very pro Israel and very anti Islamic, however outside of that he's not very socially conservative and the actual far right don't like him because....well, they really don't like Jews and gays.....But you'd never know this from the MSM because it doesn't suit their narrative.

Peterson mostly talks a lot of sense.....but look at who is listening to him. Look at who comprises the vast majority of his audience.....Look at who isn't there.

The sum result of what Peterson is doing is essentially doping up Europeans and the wider anglosphere while they slowly lose their demographic hegemony. I don't think that's overtly deliberate but the conclusion is just another form of O’Sullivan’s First Law.

Still, it doesn't change the essential old time truths of a lot of what he says, as with Sam Harris.....I bought JP's book and he's good to listen to.

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