Problem being that in a wider sense nature and procreation don't operate by personal preference. There will be the gay relatives who deserves to be treated with a decency, dignity, consideration that you've failed to offer here. There may be the mixed race grandchildren, unless your worldview is so important to you that you insist on making unfair demands of others. These things are out of your control, as they well should be.

Ali himself was mixed race. One of his great grandfathers was white so regardless of what he at one point felt about race, his genetic code was rather unique to him and no-one else. Some of his kids now have white partners. If they are decent, caring individuals, I fail to see that anything in them or of them needs to be mourned. Who they are is largely dictated by the way in which they treat others, not their hue or 23andme results.

You're an identity politics originator, in that your race clearly means much more to you than the average black person. Even in a case where a person doesn't even view race as anything important to them, you view them and not yourself as deep in identity politics on account that they don't appreciate your racial identity ideas. It's just not a factor for some. Falling in love is not a political statement.

Genes don't disappear. By your measure Ali wasn't 'pure' so had no right to a country and his grand kids have had their group identity almost totally mixed out of existence and yet it would appear they are all somehow perfectly fine. I obviously don't care if peoples partners are of the same race either. I'm just saying that perceiving there to be something missing or unfortunate where that isn't the case isn't useful to anyone. Sure people can specifically only have children with someone racially similar and vote for policies that keep immigration down, but that's about it. It's not a progression of a person for this to become more important to them, it's an insult to and reduction of others character to just their racial make up.

The internet, and the veritable buffet of niche identity ideas that it allows people to seek comfort in nowadays, on both left and right has a lot to answer for. At the end of the day when you open the front door it's real people you have to deal with.

Edited by dollardays (28 Feb 2019 3.05pm)

I tend to treat how I find. However, I'm under no requirement to treat those who promote lifestyles I don't like onto an equal footing with those I do like.

As for mixed race grandchildren, if that happens, that happens. It's kind of besides the point I made.

I think calling Ali 'mixed race' is very weak. Everyone's genetics will be a mish mash but the obvious reality is the simple truth that the majority for Ali is likely to have been African and that's how he saw himself.

If his kids didn't share his earlier opinions that's fine by me. They are under no obligation.

Word up, you love doing this....tell me what I think even when it's different to what I tell you.

My view on identity politics is that it's an inevitable consequence of demographic change and indeed we are seeing its rise within the country as we speak.

I'm going to push back and raise occasional awareness of anti white propaganda because I object to it.

I don't know where you get this metric that my identity means more to me than the average black man...How would you know?.....but whatever, I wouldn't know.

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I haven't spoken about 'purity'. The differences between races is similar to the border between space and the atmosphere.....they intermingle to an extent because human genes are common to all with common anscesters. However, they are also separate due to the reality of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in distinctly different geographical locations.

You seem to be trying to argue that 'purity' is required for the 'Japanese have a right to Japan' concept......Well if you are I find it wholly ridiculous and the Japanese themselves are very clear that they don't wish to go along with the failed multicultural route and be called racists by the people they welcomed in.

However, you have a right to live within a multicultural, fully multi ethnic society if you wish to. There is London and Birmingham as our most fully diverse examples. Soon enough the more wealthy sectors of London will get to experience 'diversity' and personally I'm looking forward to it.

It isn't for me and I will try to ensure that my children will live within countries that stay European because I think that is in their long term social, economic and cultural interest.

That's not a reflection upon anybody else or any individual. It's a reflection upon having access to statistics and evidence and using my own common sense.

You keep the dream alive Word Up.....as long as you live your principles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2019 3.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's well within your right to needlessly insult your own family and their struggles, and of course that's what is done with comments like this. Politics over people. Homosexuality isn't a 'lifestyle choice' and again if you attack this ken poster by saying 'what does it matter what people say' about a group when horrendous things are said, and then in another thread show that it matters to you tremendously when someone says words in defense of said group, the hypocrisy will get highlighted.

Just as I will push back against racism and bigotry when I object to it. Whether against black or white.

Because you're obsessed with your racial identity and with the race of others. Because you are inferring that you would leave your own country to be with other whites. Most black British people I know aren't talking about moving country to be with other blacks.

Edited by dollardays (28 Feb 2019 4.13pm)

Race and sexuality were the only topics of conversation so it's beyond obvious what you were talking about.

I don't view race in terms of sides

He does speak sense. He views the foolishness of identity politics from left and right as part of the same problem. Most people of any demographic don't fall into either left or right extreme, as it would be rather exhausting to spend life not getting on with people.

Black brits generally wouldn't move to Africa, primarily because they're British and don't view skin colour alone as reason to leave their country for somewhere they've never been just to maintain their racial line. If you want to leave your country at some point for one that's whiter then that's for you. It's a very fringe step to take but you can certainly do it.

I bet you did, lol. At the end of the day, you've talked yourself into a set of beliefs that all but rule you out meaningful connections with people of various races and ilks. In turn that will of course embolden you further because what does it matter what you think of people you feel disconnected from. You've riled yourself up with fringe online stuff and now dream of being off and away to some land that will remain white for as long as your days. You're about as heads in the clouds in your outlook as that dizzy ISIS bride .

Edited by dollardays (28 Feb 2019 5.37pm)

That's kind of how how it works.

Sure Hander, I bet you'll be around the table with your ethnic pals, discussing black IQ and wanting to move to your white paradise. Then chilling with your gay family members while telling them that you don't like their lifestyle. Getting a dressing down more like it. You clearly value your politics over people, so I'll leave you to it.

Edited by dollardays (28 Feb 2019 8.23pm)