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 Stirlingsays  19 Jan 19 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
we both believe in meritocracy. I have strong conviction that a person who is heavily disadvantaged but 99.999999% matches the achievements of a highly privileged individual...the disadvantaged person should get the nod in an application for Oxbridge. And that is far more meritocratic than giving the Eton graduate the reward. once you accept that premise...and you may not, that's your prerogative, the question becomes how flexible the system needs to be to accommodate the disadvantaged. I think 1 or 2 percent is fair. but it's a fiendishly difficult thing to measure. I went to a god awful school and everything I've achieved in life is in spite of it. same with all my school friends. it wasn't our fault we went there, or had our upbringings. I'm sure many people will know the feeling... Well, we are kind of back to where we were at the beginning. I have sympathy for your intent but I think that once you accept the premises that you have....then essentially you have opened Pandora's box and the loonies won't let you close it again.....and that's what indeed what essentially already happened with affirmative action. Indeed, I feel that I can criticise you for supporting this as it's this enabling at all levels which leads to lesser performing institutions and companies. I'm fully behind social mobility for talented people at the bottom. However, that isn't what is happening......Instead of words like meritocracy I see the word equity. Equity is the next step from the philosophy of equality. It leads to the very destruction of meritocracy. That is what has been enabled.
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Mr Fenandes  19 Jan 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Left winger alert! Refusing to have the flag of your location on your profile. Ashamed to be English due to some weird guilt you have invented? That's a really weird response
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jan 19 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
That's a really weird response
The condition of 'white guilt' is quite common amongst a certain demographic. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2019 1.17pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 19 Jan 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
That's a really weird response He's like Emily Thornberry who thinks the St George's flag makes you a racist or compliant. Why would you remove it? It was my idea to have flags programmed into the message board posts to indicate where fans are posting around the world.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Jan 19 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
He's like Emily Thornberry who thinks the St George's flag makes you a racist or compliant. Why would you remove it? It was my idea to have flags programmed into the message board posts to indicate where fans are posting around the world. Maybe you should add a EU one Pengey ?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 19 Jan 19 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Maybe you should add a EU one Pengey ? f*** OFF!
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| Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Jan 19 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
f*** OFF!
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| steve1984 19 Jan 19 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
That's a really weird response This is basically a forum for people obsessed by flags.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jan 19 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
This is basically a forum for people obsessed by flags. And hot dogs.
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| andyg york 19 Jan 19 3.42pm |
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The BBC article on this explained that the school has 5 members of staff who focus on helping students to get into university. (source: [Link] ) Many schools that puts this time, effort and money into getting kids into Oxbridge will do so - its about learning to 'play the game'. Private schools do this far better than state schools because they have the resources and experience. Its also a snowball effect where when you learn how to get kids in, that experience helps you with the next year etc. I think some people are looking for controversy here when the solution is pretty simple Edit: Sorry the closed bracket from my text got included in the link by mistake... Edited by andyg (19 Jan 2019 4.24pm)
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jan 19 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by andyg
The BBC article on this explained that the school has 5 members of staff who focus on helping students to get into university. (source: [Link] Many schools that puts this time, effort and money into getting kids into Oxbridge will do so - its about learning to 'play the game'. Private schools do this far better than state schools because they have the resources and experience. Its also a snowball effect where when you learn how to get kids in, that experience helps you with the next year etc. I think some people are looking for controversy here when the solution is pretty simple
I wager what we see now has been a deliberate change....to what extent I don't know. However, all that matters is that the intake quality hasn't been lowered due to non meritocratic ideologies. Certainly all the criticisms regarding affirmative action stand. However, this lunacy is now mainstream. The link didn't work. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2019 4.03pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jan 19 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by andyg
The BBC article on this explained that the school has 5 members of staff who focus on helping students to get into university. (source: [Link] Many schools that puts this time, effort and money into getting kids into Oxbridge will do so - its about learning to 'play the game'. Private schools do this far better than state schools because they have the resources and experience. Its also a snowball effect where when you learn how to get kids in, that experience helps you with the next year etc. I think some people are looking for controversy here when the solution is pretty simple The link doesn't work but this echos my previous comments the "good" schools spend a year preparing the kids for the entrance exams so fair play to this state school.
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