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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 15 Jan 19 8.30am
Investment for what - players ? If Parish was to attract further investment for that purpose only, would you be confident that the money would be well spent ? Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 15 Jan 19 8.30am

Investment for what - players ?

If Parish was to attract further investment for that purpose only, would you be confident that the money would be well spent ?

Old, Ungifted and White

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michaelpearce grays 15 Jan 19 8.31am
Originally posted by Jimenez I also saw someone mention on Twitter at the weekend because the way FFP works we have a fairly hefty sum too play with in the Summer window (Don't ask me how ) think it works on a rolling 3 years, just checked on our transfers from 2013/14 till now we have spent 180million more than whats come in after players being sold, so the board has invested hence we cant spend big at the moment Edited by michaelpearce (15 Jan 2019 8.45am)
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michaelpearce

grays 15 Jan 19 8.31am

Originally posted by Jimenez

I also saw someone mention on Twitter at the weekend because the way FFP works we have a fairly hefty sum too play with in the Summer window (Don't ask me how )

think it works on a rolling 3 years, just checked on our transfers from 2013/14 till now we have spent 180million more than whats come in after players being sold, so the board has invested hence we cant spend big at the moment

Edited by michaelpearce (15 Jan 2019 8.45am)

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Bangell Oxford 15 Jan 19 9.20am
Smarter spending is what we need. The size of our wage bill compared to the number and quality of players on it is an absolute embarrassment.
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Bangell

Oxford 15 Jan 19 9.20am

Smarter spending is what we need. The size of our wage bill compared to the number and quality of players on it is an absolute embarrassment.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 19 9.29am
Originally posted by michaelpearce think it works on a rolling 3 years, just checked on our transfers from 2013/14 till now we have spent 180million more than whats come in after players being sold, so the board has invested hence we cant spend big at the moment Edited by michaelpearce (15 Jan 2019 8.45am) Our net spend from our first season in the PL : 2013-14 £30 Mill 2014-15 £25.5 Mill 2015-16 £21 Mill 2016-17 £46 Mill 2017-18 £41 Mill 2018-19 £10 Mill.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Jan 19 9.29am

Originally posted by michaelpearce

Edited by michaelpearce (15 Jan 2019 8.45am)

Our net spend from our first season in the PL :
2013-14 £30 Mill
2014-15 £25.5 Mill
2015-16 £21 Mill
2016-17 £46 Mill
2017-18 £41 Mill
2018-19 £10 Mill.

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michaelpearce grays 15 Jan 19 9.41am
Originally posted by Bangell Smarter spending is what we need. The size of our wage bill compared to the number and quality of players on it is an absolute embarrassment. it seemed a good idea at the time and 60 mil on 2 players alone sakho and teke we did get cabaye luka,tomkins,pva,townsend and Wilf so only one has left thats half the team of good investment, yes i have put teke in there it worked first season didnt see him stop scoring completely
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michaelpearce

grays 15 Jan 19 9.41am

Originally posted by Bangell

Smarter spending is what we need. The size of our wage bill compared to the number and quality of players on it is an absolute embarrassment.

it seemed a good idea at the time and 60 mil on 2 players alone sakho and teke we did get cabaye luka,tomkins,pva,townsend and Wilf so only one has left thats half the team of good investment, yes i have put teke in there it worked first season didnt see him stop scoring completely

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 15 Jan 19 9.46am
Originally posted by michaelpearce it seemed a good idea at the time and 60 mil on 2 players alone sakho and teke we did get cabaye luka,tomkins,pva,townsend and Wilf so only one has left thats half the team of good investment, yes i have put teke in there it worked first season didnt see him stop scoring completely Funny how different the landscape would look if Benteke had not been injured so much and forgot how to play football at the same time. If he had continued where he left off from his first season it would all be so different now. What a masterstroke paying the £30m would have been.
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MonsterMunch

Cambridge 15 Jan 19 9.46am

Originally posted by michaelpearce

Funny how different the landscape would look if Benteke had not been injured so much and forgot how to play football at the same time. If he had continued where he left off from his first season it would all be so different now. What a masterstroke paying the £30m would have been.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Jan 19 9.58am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Funny how different the landscape would look if Benteke had not been injured so much and forgot how to play football at the same time. If he had continued where he left off from his first season it would all be so different now. What a masterstroke paying the £30m would have been. This is true but he could also have been injured so there’s a lot of eggs in one basket there. Having Wickham injured as well is unfortunate but you really have to have a third capable striker or scout players better so if we needed to bring one in we could afford better. There was indeed a mistake made by selling Murray. He could’ve been kept and played half the league games. When you look and see the planning around that time it was shocking. Wickham, Gayle, Murray, Bamford was the pecking order I think although there’s no point loaning in Bamford if there’s no chance of him playing. We then brought in Adebayor. Not that long after we sold Gayle. The planning, scouting and analysis of plenty of things and players we’ve brought in has been shocking. The Murray one by Brighty, Parish’s first go to man, others by Pardew or Freedman, more people in the job because of history over experience. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 15 Jan 19 9.58am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

This is true but he could also have been injured so there’s a lot of eggs in one basket there. Having Wickham injured as well is unfortunate but you really have to have a third capable striker or scout players better so if we needed to bring one in we could afford better.

There was indeed a mistake made by selling Murray. He could’ve been kept and played half the league games. When you look and see the planning around that time it was shocking. Wickham, Gayle, Murray, Bamford was the pecking order I think although there’s no point loaning in Bamford if there’s no chance of him playing. We then brought in Adebayor. Not that long after we sold Gayle. The planning, scouting and analysis of plenty of things and players we’ve brought in has been shocking. The Murray one by Brighty, Parish’s first go to man, others by Pardew or Freedman, more people in the job because of history over experience.

COYP

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Bangell Oxford 15 Jan 19 10.34am
Originally posted by michaelpearce it seemed a good idea at the time and 60 mil on 2 players alone sakho and teke we did get cabaye luka,tomkins,pva,townsend and Wilf so only one has left thats half the team of good investment, yes i have put teke in there it worked first season didnt see him stop scoring completely Schlupp - £13 million, 55k p/w wages. Riedewald - £7 million, 55k p/w wages. Sorloth - £9million, 30k p/w wages. Wickham - £9 million, 60k p/w wages. Benteke - £30 million, £120k p/w wages. Jach - £2.5 million, 20k p/w wages. None of those look like wise spending. Also, rumours are that Meyer is on anything up to £170,000 p/w. A player who doesn't fit our system and rarely makes the team.
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Bangell

Oxford 15 Jan 19 10.34am

Originally posted by michaelpearce

Schlupp - £13 million, 55k p/w wages.
Riedewald - £7 million, 55k p/w wages.
Sorloth - £9million, 30k p/w wages.
Wickham - £9 million, 60k p/w wages.
Benteke - £30 million, £120k p/w wages.
Jach - £2.5 million, 20k p/w wages.

None of those look like wise spending. Also, rumours are that Meyer is on anything up to £170,000 p/w. A player who doesn't fit our system and rarely makes the team.

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Painter Croydon 15 Jan 19 11.07am
Originally posted by Vaibow You think parish does this for the love? You think he is on minimal wage? Google smoke and mirrors and see what you find. Thing is, people ask why have the american investors got away with no stick - simple, they have done nothing wrong. Parish had an agenda, he wanted to offload some shares while the takings were hot - he and the board got a nice pay packet - like the plan was all along - to buy the club, stabilise it and sell on. Thing is, parish got backers involved, but parish still runs the show and the americans are doing exactly what were asked of them and what they are prepared to do - they are obviously getting something back from this and even if they were not.. it's small change to them and probably written off by their other companies. If we were to go down this year, we would have naff all to show for it... embaressing..no...shameful really. Football is now big business with all the money floating about. Some people still have quaint ideas about people doing it for the love of the game. They need to wake up a smell the coffee about how football has changed.
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Painter

Croydon 15 Jan 19 11.07am

Originally posted by Vaibow

You think parish does this for the love? You think he is on minimal wage? Google smoke and mirrors and see what you find.

Thing is, people ask why have the american investors got away with no stick - simple, they have done nothing wrong.

Parish had an agenda, he wanted to offload some shares while the takings were hot - he and the board got a nice pay packet - like the plan was all along - to buy the club, stabilise it and sell on.

Thing is, parish got backers involved, but parish still runs the show and the americans are doing exactly what were asked of them and what they are prepared to do - they are obviously getting something back from this and even if they were not.. it's small change to them and probably written off by their other companies.

If we were to go down this year, we would have naff all to show for it... embaressing..no...shameful really.

Football is now big business with all the money floating about. Some people still have quaint ideas about people doing it for the love of the game. They need to wake up a smell the coffee about how football has changed.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jan 19 11.22am
Originally posted by Bangell Schlupp - £13 million, 55k p/w wages. Riedewald - £7 million, 55k p/w wages. Sorloth - £9million, 30k p/w wages. Wickham - £9 million, 60k p/w wages. Benteke - £30 million, £120k p/w wages. Jach - £2.5 million, 20k p/w wages. None of those look like wise spending. Also, rumours are that Meyer is on anything up to £170,000 p/w. A player who doesn't fit our system and rarely makes the team. You have to say.....that's a lot of money spent on very moderate to poor returns. Some footballers just don't justify the money spent on them.....as they say, you are worth what you negotiate....and that negotiation isn't always accurate. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

15 Jan 19 11.22am

Originally posted by Bangell

None of those look like wise spending. Also, rumours are that Meyer is on anything up to £170,000 p/w. A player who doesn't fit our system and rarely makes the team.

You have to say.....that's a lot of money spent on very moderate to poor returns.

Some footballers just don't justify the money spent on them.....as they say, you are worth what you negotiate....and that negotiation isn't always accurate.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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michaelpearce grays 15 Jan 19 11.25am
Originally posted by Bangell Schlupp - £13 million, 55k p/w wages. Riedewald - £7 million, 55k p/w wages. Sorloth - £9million, 30k p/w wages. Wickham - £9 million, 60k p/w wages. Benteke - £30 million, £120k p/w wages. Jach - £2.5 million, 20k p/w wages. None of those look like wise spending. Also, rumors are that Meyer is on anything up to £170,000 p/w. A player who doesn't fit our system and rarely makes the team. so player on a free who we dont know what he is being paid (daily mail rumors), who slowly linking with the forward line, whos young enough to develop into a good player lets not keep him no lets give up on him because you know best ,have we tried to play to his skills like we do with wilf?,we dont even do that with Wilf as i said about Teke didnt see him stop scoring,tell us who would you buy to replace the others,2 have gone one may go,wickham was a small risk couldnt see major injury which happened not a old injury,schlupp hit and miss but who would you buy to replace him, so we have 7 players that are current first team from wise spending, mistakes or chances will be made all clubs do them Edited by michaelpearce (15 Jan 2019 11.46am)
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michaelpearce

grays 15 Jan 19 11.25am

Originally posted by Bangell

None of those look like wise spending. Also, rumors are that Meyer is on anything up to £170,000 p/w. A player who doesn't fit our system and rarely makes the team.

so player on a free who we dont know what he is being paid (daily mail rumors), who slowly linking with the forward line, whos young enough to develop into a good player lets not keep him no lets give up on him because you know best ,have we tried to play to his skills like we do with wilf?,we dont even do that with Wilf

as i said about Teke didnt see him stop scoring,tell us who would you buy to replace the others,2 have gone one may go,wickham was a small risk couldnt see major injury which happened not a old injury,schlupp hit and miss but who would you buy to replace him,

so we have 7 players that are current first team from wise spending, mistakes or chances will be made all clubs do them

Edited by michaelpearce (15 Jan 2019 11.46am)

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Bangell Oxford 15 Jan 19 12.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You have to say.....that's a lot of money spent on very moderate to poor returns. Some footballers just don't justify the money spent on them.....as they say, you are worth what you negotiate....and that negotiation isn't always accurate. We are rarely in a good negotiating position, e.g. putting all our eggs in the Benteke basket, trying to haggle, ending up paying full price at the very end of the window, or emergency buying in January, e.g. Schlupp.
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Bangell

Oxford 15 Jan 19 12.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have to say.....that's a lot of money spent on very moderate to poor returns.

Some footballers just don't justify the money spent on them.....as they say, you are worth what you negotiate....and that negotiation isn't always accurate.

We are rarely in a good negotiating position, e.g. putting all our eggs in the Benteke basket, trying to haggle, ending up paying full price at the very end of the window, or emergency buying in January, e.g. Schlupp.

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