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ChrisGC  Wantage 12 Jan 19 8.47am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, del Potro and Murray - there have been great players in the past, but that's quite a gang. To have beaten them all means Murray is among the very best. It's all relative. 3 grand slams Vs what, at least a dozen a piece? (barring del potro who, like Murray is an also-ran in comparison). He did well but let's not go mad.
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 YT Oxford 12 Jan 19 9.11am |
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I sympathise with Murray, but the media coverage (I mostly saw BBC) yesterday and continuing today was/is completely excessive; you would think that the guy had died rather than retired. Every day scores of sportsmen and women call time on their career. Relatively-speaking, Murray has been lucky to be able to make it to 32 in top-level sport. To be clear - I congratulate him on what he’s achieved. I DON’T consider him anti-English. And I wish him well. (And his wife gets a ‘would’ from me).
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Jan 19 10.53am |
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Originally posted by YT
I sympathise with Murray, but the media coverage (I mostly saw BBC) yesterday and continuing today was/is completely excessive; you would think that the guy had died rather than retired. Every day scores of sportsmen and women call time on their career. Relatively-speaking, Murray has been lucky to be able to make it to 32 in top-level sport. To be clear - I congratulate him on what he’s achieved. I DON’T consider him anti-English. And I wish him well. (And his wife gets a ‘would’ from me). That's what I love about your posts YT, always very considered, grown up and sensible, but then you remember where you are and slip the 'would' in for good measure
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Pussay Patrol  12 Jan 19 11.22am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
It's all relative. 3 grand slams Vs what, at least a dozen a piece? (barring del potro who, like Murray is an also-ran in comparison). He did well but let's not go mad. You could argue he could have won more slams, 5 Aussie finals and lost them all. Bit of a bridesmaid, or the Jimmy White of tennis?
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| chris123 hove actually 12 Jan 19 11.41am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
It's all relative. 3 grand slams Vs what, at least a dozen a piece? (barring del potro who, like Murray is an also-ran in comparison). He did well but let's not go mad. Check out the 2009 US Open, beat Nadal is the semi in straight sets, Federer in the final in five, and had rotten luck with wrist injuries pretty much since.
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| YT Oxford 12 Jan 19 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
That's what I love about your posts YT, always very considered, grown up and sensible, but then you remember where you are and slip the 'would' in for good measure Thanks, Tom. It may not always be apparent, but that's how I try to be generally - considered (and considerate?) but never taking myself or indeed life too seriously.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 12 Jan 19 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Check out the 2009 US Open, beat Nadal is the semi in straight sets, Federer in the final in five, and had rotten luck with wrist injuries pretty much since. Yes, great victory which he was unable to turn into a trophy. Whereas Djokavic has won 14 grand slams, Nadal even more and Federer something sick like 20 odd. There's no comparison. Like mentioning James Milner the same breath as Messi and Ronaldo because he's won the league a couple of times. Good achievement, good player, but put into context...
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| kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 12 Jan 19 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Just watched his press conference where he has said that he will be retiring from tennis this year due to injury. Now I don't mind the guy, to be honest I have no real feeling towards him, he certainly seems decent enough, however I must say to see him breaking down in tears in front of a room full of journalists was in my opinion pretty embarrassing. Now I get that he's passionate and he's saying goodbye to his dreams etc, I really do, so maybe this says more about me than him, but in my mind blokes should never and I mean never behave like that. Man up man. I hate this expression with a passion... If it was easy enough to just 'man up' then we wouldn't have any mental health issues in the world and wouldn't have such a high suicide rate amongst men. Yes he's a sour faced guy who comes across miserable.. But so bloody what.. Let's remember he had to hide under a table at the Dunblane school massacre whilst Thomas Hamilton shot and killed 16 children... Who knows what effect that has had on him?? He's still the finest tennis player Britain has produced and deserves respect for what he has achieved.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Jan 19 8.24pm |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
I hate this expression with a passion... If it was easy enough to just 'man up' then we wouldn't have any mental health issues in the world and wouldn't have such a high suicide rate amongst men. Yes he's a sour faced guy who comes across miserable.. But so bloody what.. Let's remember he had to hide under a table at the Dunblane school massacre whilst Thomas Hamilton shot and killed 16 children... Who knows what effect that has had on him?? He's still the finest tennis player Britain has produced and deserves respect for what he has achieved. Er I wasn't disprespecting him, in fact it's you who has called him sour faced lol
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| kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 12 Jan 19 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Er I wasn't disprespecting him, in fact it's you who has called him sour faced lol Yep I know i called him sour faced... he is sour faced... But if you read your original post you did say he should 'man up' did you not??
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 13 Jan 19 12.36am |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
Yep I know i called him sour faced... he is sour faced... But if you read your original post you did say he should 'man up' did you not?? Of course I said he should man up, that was the whole point of this thread was it not? It's nothing against Murray, I just find grown men crying in public a bit embarrassing. Nobody has died. It's cool if you disagree though.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 13 Jan 19 8.08am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Of course I said he should man up, that was the whole point of this thread was it not? It's nothing against Murray, I just find grown men crying in public a bit embarrassing. Nobody has died. It's cool if you disagree though. Totally agree. The world has gone soft. For him to think it's ok to call a press conference to cry in front of the whole world shows what a state we're in. I love the phrase 'man up' and think it's underused. When he told his old dear he was going to do this she should have told him to get a grip and man up. Saves him the mental trauma of the future embarrassment of his kids having to watch their old man behave like a man child on telly. Captured forever. A lot of mental health issues could be nipped in the bud by being told to get a grip rather than validate 'feelings'.
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