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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Oct 18 10.00pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC 1. Nope. Only blinkered, irrational ones. As per. 2. Nope. Your assumption not my belief 3. I do think that they should. Problem is most of them are easily dismantled once you look beyond the often overcomplicated, implausible and completely loony sensationalism. What annoys me more than anything these days is the immediate presumption that any significant 'authority linked' event is an incredibly fancifully conceived cover up until proven otherwise. Of course a lot of the time there's the usual serious spin, withholding of information and lack of detail from the 'authorities', but that doesn't always equate to make believe by default. Sometimes these people are so far down the rabbit hole already they've forgotten what being objective actually means. Add social, balanced and rational, for that matter. It's like being proved right would give them some kind of social acceptance that for some reason they badly crave. A dopamine hit of 'I told you so/I'm right and you're wrong', driven by years of inadequacy, finger pointing and blaming others for the pit of despair that they wallow around in. If that's so important to you then world events aren't the problem. You are. Edited by SW19 CPFC (29 Oct 2018 9.01pm) I believe that keeping an open mind is important. Yours seems to be closed. With Kelly. You do understand that suicide by cutting a wrist is often unsuccessful. Blood loss has to be sufficient. According to witnesses, there wasn't much blood. I know people like you always want to associate particular opinions with some kind of psychosis, but you really should turn that pop psychology routine on yourself occasionally me thinks.
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29 Oct 18 10.00pm

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

1. Nope. Only blinkered, irrational ones. As per.

2. Nope. Your assumption not my belief

3. I do think that they should. Problem is most of them are easily dismantled once you look beyond the often overcomplicated, implausible and completely loony sensationalism.

What annoys me more than anything these days is the immediate presumption that any significant 'authority linked' event is an incredibly fancifully conceived cover up until proven otherwise.

Of course a lot of the time there's the usual serious spin, withholding of information and lack of detail from the 'authorities', but that doesn't always equate to make believe by default. Sometimes these people are so far down the rabbit hole already they've forgotten what being objective actually means. Add social, balanced and rational, for that matter.

It's like being proved right would give them some kind of social acceptance that for some reason they badly crave. A dopamine hit of 'I told you so/I'm right and you're wrong', driven by years of inadequacy, finger pointing and blaming others for the pit of despair that they wallow around in.

If that's so important to you then world events aren't the problem. You are.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (29 Oct 2018 9.01pm)

I believe that keeping an open mind is important.

Yours seems to be closed.

With Kelly. You do understand that suicide by cutting a wrist is often unsuccessful. Blood loss has to be sufficient. According to witnesses, there wasn't much blood.

I know people like you always want to associate particular opinions with some kind of psychosis, but you really should turn that pop psychology routine on yourself occasionally me thinks.

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Stirlingsays 29 Oct 18 10.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That article made me laugh out loud. Next week an attack by the knights who say nee. Yeah, that's about right. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Oct 18 10.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That article made me laugh out loud.

Next week an attack by the knights who say nee.

Yeah, that's about right.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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silvertop Portishead 30 Oct 18 9.13pm
Given recent events in the US, the rise of the loony right here and the number of violent, impressionable loons with politics so extreme they make our very own posters seem like a pack of cuddly, socialist, inclusivity benders would it not be somewhat irresponsible if the intelligence services didnt at least keep an eye on these groups? Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here? On the left apparently being given less attention as part of some establishment bias, while i am all for balance, is there really still a risk of a violent communist uprising? Happy to be educated on this...
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Portishead 30 Oct 18 9.13pm

Given recent events in the US, the rise of the loony right here and the number of violent, impressionable loons with politics so extreme they make our very own posters seem like a pack of cuddly, socialist, inclusivity benders would it not be somewhat irresponsible if the intelligence services didnt at least keep an eye on these groups?

Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here?

On the left apparently being given less attention as part of some establishment bias, while i am all for balance, is there really still a risk of a violent communist uprising? Happy to be educated on this...

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 18 9.30pm
Originally posted by silvertop Given recent events in the US, the rise of the loony right here and the number of violent, impressionable loons with politics so extreme they make our very own posters seem like a pack of cuddly, socialist, inclusivity benders would it not be somewhat irresponsible if the intelligence services didnt at least keep an eye on these groups? Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here? On the left apparently being given less attention as part of some establishment bias, while i am all for balance, is there really still a risk of a violent communist uprising? Happy to be educated on this... Violence orchestrated by the far Left, Anarchists, Antifa and all the other assorted loons has been commonplace. Where have you been?
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Hrolf The Ganger

30 Oct 18 9.30pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here?

On the left apparently being given less attention as part of some establishment bias, while i am all for balance, is there really still a risk of a violent communist uprising? Happy to be educated on this...

Violence orchestrated by the far Left, Anarchists, Antifa and all the other assorted loons has been commonplace.

Where have you been?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Oct 18 9.35pm
Originally posted by silvertop Given recent events in the US, the rise of the loony right here and the number of violent, impressionable loons with politics so extreme they make our very own posters seem like a pack of cuddly, socialist, inclusivity benders would it not be somewhat irresponsible if the intelligence services didnt at least keep an eye on these groups? Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here? On the left apparently being given less attention as part of some establishment bias, while i am all for balance, is there really still a risk of a violent communist uprising? Happy to be educated on this... Who would be the most likely to attack a UK synagogue? I suspect either left wing Palestinian sympathisers or Islamic fundamentalists would be more likely to attack Jews than any perceived new NAZI party that doesn't really exist. You can always look up statistics on the rise of attacks on Jews and synagogues in countries with recent, more extreme, Islamic immigration. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Oct 18 9.35pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here?

Who would be the most likely to attack a UK synagogue? I suspect either left wing Palestinian sympathisers or Islamic fundamentalists would be more likely to attack Jews than any perceived new NAZI party that doesn't really exist.
You can always look up statistics on the rise of attacks on Jews and synagogues in countries with recent, more extreme, Islamic immigration.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 9.37pm
Originally posted by silvertop Given recent events in the US, the rise of the loony right here and the number of violent, impressionable loons with politics so extreme they make our very own posters seem like a pack of cuddly, socialist, inclusivity benders would it not be somewhat irresponsible if the intelligence services didnt at least keep an eye on these groups? Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here? On the left apparently being given less attention as part of some establishment bias, while i am all for balance, is there really still a risk of a violent communist uprising? Happy to be educated on this... If there are groups planning violence against innocent people because of their religion then yeah....I'd most definitely support the state being involved. But I'm not really seeing the state as....what you would call an actor with much trust from many. Look at its handling of these grooming raping gangs....it's enforced silence and downplaying....for example, where did you find out that these gangs have been found in at least twenty different UK locations...was it from the media or from someone like me? Guy leaves bacon at a mosque, gets jailed by the state and is then dead months later.......While I would have supported community service or a fine for what he did...the reality is that the state chose to imprison him and now he's dead...Something some posters on here celebrated....I wager that if he hadn't been sent to jail he would still be alive. Robinson, incorrectly jailed by the state has to be released months later with his case jumped upwards. So some people might ask....who's keeping an eye on the state? Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 9.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Oct 18 9.37pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Can you imagine the backlash if a synagogue was attacked here?

If there are groups planning violence against innocent people because of their religion then yeah....I'd most definitely support the state being involved.

But I'm not really seeing the state as....what you would call an actor with much trust from many.

Look at its handling of these grooming raping gangs....it's enforced silence and downplaying....for example, where did you find out that these gangs have been found in at least twenty different UK locations...was it from the media or from someone like me?

Guy leaves bacon at a mosque, gets jailed by the state and is then dead months later.......While I would have supported community service or a fine for what he did...the reality is that the state chose to imprison him and now he's dead...Something some posters on here celebrated....I wager that if he hadn't been sent to jail he would still be alive.

Robinson, incorrectly jailed by the state has to be released months later with his case jumped upwards.

So some people might ask....who's keeping an eye on the state?

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 9.38pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 18 9.48pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Who would be the most likely to attack a UK synagogue? I suspect either left wing Palestinian sympathisers or Islamic fundamentalists would be more likely to attack Jews than any perceived new NAZI party that doesn't really exist. You can always look up statistics on the rise of attacks on Jews and synagogues in countries with recent, more extreme, Islamic immigration. Yep. Get ready for these morons to continue their age old battle on Brtish soil.
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30 Oct 18 9.48pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Yep. Get ready for these morons to continue their age old battle on Brtish soil.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 30 Oct 18 11.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I believe that keeping an open mind is important. Yours seems to be closed. With Kelly. You do understand that suicide by cutting a wrist is often unsuccessful. Blood loss has to be sufficient. According to witnesses, there wasn't much blood. I know people like you always want to associate particular opinions with some kind of psychosis, but you really should turn that pop psychology routine on yourself occasionally me thinks. Nah. Wide open. Try reading the reports. Sole cause of death was not the wrists. Also certainly not psychosis. ‘People like you’ LOLE. You mean ones without childhood issues, overbearing inferiority complexes, feelings of regret and inadequacy and social awkwardness driving a constant irrational fear and hatred of authority? Plus bitterness. Lots and lots of bitterness. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 30 Oct 18 11.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I believe that keeping an open mind is important.

Yours seems to be closed.

With Kelly. You do understand that suicide by cutting a wrist is often unsuccessful. Blood loss has to be sufficient. According to witnesses, there wasn't much blood.

I know people like you always want to associate particular opinions with some kind of psychosis, but you really should turn that pop psychology routine on yourself occasionally me thinks.

Nah. Wide open. Try reading the reports. Sole cause of death was not the wrists. Also certainly not psychosis.

‘People like you’ LOLE. You mean ones without childhood issues, overbearing inferiority complexes, feelings of regret and inadequacy and social awkwardness driving a constant irrational fear and hatred of authority? Plus bitterness. Lots and lots of bitterness.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 Oct 18 12.06am
Which organisation actually mainstreams anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric? It's called the Labour party, under Jeremy Corbyn.
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Beckenham 31 Oct 18 12.06am

Which organisation actually mainstreams anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric? It's called the Labour party, under Jeremy Corbyn.

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DanH SW2 31 Oct 18 1.17am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Which organisation actually mainstreams anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric? It's called the Labour party, under Jeremy Corbyn. I thought what politicians say don’t actually influence individual actions? Or is that just yer main lad over the pond? Edited by DanH (31 Oct 2018 1.17am)
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SW2 31 Oct 18 1.17am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Which organisation actually mainstreams anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric? It's called the Labour party, under Jeremy Corbyn.

I thought what politicians say don’t actually influence individual actions? Or is that just yer main lad over the pond?

Edited by DanH (31 Oct 2018 1.17am)

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cryrst The garden of England 31 Oct 18 6.29am
Originally posted by DanH I thought what politicians say don’t actually influence individual actions? Or is that just yer main lad over the pond? Edited by DanH (31 Oct 2018 1.17am) But what they do may be influential!
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The garden of England 31 Oct 18 6.29am

Originally posted by DanH

I thought what politicians say don’t actually influence individual actions? Or is that just yer main lad over the pond?

Edited by DanH (31 Oct 2018 1.17am)

But what they do may be influential!

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W12 02 Nov 18 4.48pm
As I've said recently having grown up in the 70's I believe the battle against racism has already been won in this country. There will always be small numbers of people that exhibit racism but the view is now so marginalized and socially unacceptable especially in white people (along with homophobia, sexism etc) as to be a non-starter. The antifa mob seem to be happy to sneer at the pitiful numbers of people that now turn up to far right marches but still claim they are a major threat in this country. The only good thing about far right extremism is you can see it coming a mile off with their overt claims of racial superiority. With the far left it's not so easy to tell when they are starting to overstep the mark but it's starting to feel very close.
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W12 02 Nov 18 4.48pm

As I've said recently having grown up in the 70's I believe the battle against racism has already been won in this country. There will always be small numbers of people that exhibit racism but the view is now so marginalized and socially unacceptable especially in white people (along with homophobia, sexism etc) as to be a non-starter.

The antifa mob seem to be happy to sneer at the pitiful numbers of people that now turn up to far right marches but still claim they are a major threat in this country.

The only good thing about far right extremism is you can see it coming a mile off with their overt claims of racial superiority. With the far left it's not so easy to tell when they are starting to overstep the mark but it's starting to feel very close.

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