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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 18 11.13am | |
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One can measure progress in a plethora of ways. In terms of our league positions since being promoted to the PL : 2017-18 11th Won 11 Pts 44
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 18 11.41am | |
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Obviously, being in the PL allows a club to trade at a higher level and our squad now is 100 times better than the one that got promoted. If you don't spend you go backward. We must find a way to improve in January or risk relegation. Our chairman looks frightened of failure every season and then makes the very same mistakes again the next. When will he learn that you can't wing it year after year? To rely on Benteke to find form again was bonkers and to have no decent back up was lunacy.
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CrazyBadger Ware 23 Oct 18 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
I think a lot of fans underestime how touch it is to stay in the Premier league. As teams stay up for longer, the expectations of fans grow to want to achieve something that's beyond their means. After they start to want someone that unachievable they clubs start to turn on themselves and become toxic. There's been 49 premiership clubs. Loads have been in for a season or two, then completely disappeared. Lots have had a boom or bust business model which has distroyed them. Only 6 teams have never been religated. It's pretty much inevitable that we will at some point. I couldn't find a stat on how many have lasted 6 consecutive seasons but I'm sure it will be lower than people expect. Going up and staying up was a fluke. Expecting to stay up shows progress. We just have to be patient and hope we don't mess it up. This sums it up for me. Too often people underestimate the PL. there's 20 Teams in the league - guarenteed 15 of them have fans who have aspirations/expectations of fighting for a European place, as ludicrous as that sounds. We are one of those team who every year seem to expect survival and want to be pushing onto the next level, spouting our league positions of 10/11/14 whatever as evidence we are ready. In reality, the bottom 13 clubs are so close in quality, any of them/us are 'relegation fodder'.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 18 12.23pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
This sums it up for me. Too often people underestimate the PL. there's 20 Teams in the league - guarenteed 15 of them have fans who have aspirations/expectations of fighting for a European place, as ludicrous as that sounds. We are one of those team who every year seem to expect survival and want to be pushing onto the next level, spouting our league positions of 10/11/14 whatever as evidence we are ready. In reality, the bottom 13 clubs are so close in quality, any of them/us are 'relegation fodder'. May I congratulate you on a very good post.
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CrazyBadger Ware 23 Oct 18 1.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
May I congratulate you on a very good post. Why thank you! The irony, of course is that I was one of those who was one of those fans hoping a year away from the relegation dogfight... more fool me.
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KAOS In a tree 23 Oct 18 2.04pm | |
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Bottom line … we just have to avoid relegation this season again and get a season closer to building our new stand. AND, when we start the build guess what?! We’ll have to ensure we don’t get relegated again that season until we become more of an attractive proposition for bigger investors than we have already got. AND until such a point, we will always be where we are and tbh we can’t honestly hope for more?! Think about the last 6 or seasons … a play off final win, a host of very expensive players have arrived in different forms (whether or not they’ve been value for money is another things), our 6th consecutive season in the Prem, a number of internationals in the 1st team squad, the most talented player outside the top 4, an FA cup final appearance, a firm plan to start redevelopment the Main Stand … need I go on?! If that’s not making progress from where we were 7-8 years ago I don’t know what is! Yes, we’re shoddy at the minute. Yes, we can’t buy a win. Yes, we run the gauntlet of going down again (see 1st point in this comment) … but f*ck me, if you don’t like it then don’t go and let someone else have your ticket!
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Maine Eagle USA 23 Oct 18 2.39pm | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Moaning Minnies' by Midlands Eagle No, it’s because he gets more of the big decisions right than wrong, specifically manager appointments. Untangle your knickers and realise we’ll be ok this season. I bet my list is longer than yours. Oo er.
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Maine Eagle USA 23 Oct 18 2.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Obviously, being in the PL allows a club to trade at a higher level and our squad now is 100 times better than the one that got promoted. If you don't spend you go backward. We must find a way to improve in January or risk relegation. Our chairman looks frightened of failure every season and then makes the very same mistakes again the next. When will he learn that you can't wing it year after year? To rely on Benteke to find form again was bonkers and to have no decent back up was lunacy. This is the key. Parish has done and does do a lot of good things for the club, but one of the things Steve Parish hasn't figured out after all of these years is how to manage a squad. If he hasnt got it down by now he probably never will. Benteke has been an abject failure for over 14 months now, and to address that we signed a guy in Sorloth who failed in the Dutch top flight, and Ayew on loan. Its not good enough. Yes we have assembled a solid defense and defensively solid midfield but other than Meyer, who often doesnt get to play, where is the creativity in the middle of the park? Other than Wilf Zaha and our left back where are the goal threats? RH does not have enough attacking options, and we are suffering for it with a serious lack of goals in our game at the moment. RH not having enough attacking options is the responsibility of the chairman.
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Dancer Cat Farnborough 23 Oct 18 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
This sums it up for me. Too often people underestimate the PL. there's 20 Teams in the league - guarenteed 15 of them have fans who have aspirations/expectations of fighting for a European place, as ludicrous as that sounds. We are one of those team who every year seem to expect survival and want to be pushing onto the next level, spouting our league positions of 10/11/14 whatever as evidence we are ready. In reality, the bottom 13 clubs are so close in quality, any of them/us are 'relegation fodder'. Great Post
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HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Oct 18 3.30pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Why thank you! The irony, of course is that I was one of those who was one of those fans hoping a year away from the relegation dogfight... more fool me. Within seconds of the final whistle at Fulham hundreds were planning for Europa Cup travel in 2019. Others, like myself, just wanted a season without the constant worry that has been a hallmark of our PL escapade, sometimes to the last couple of games, sometimes one or two more but I can't think we have ever been safe, mathematically or pragmatically after 32 0r 33 games and that being likely after say 25 games
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Oct 18 3.32pm | |
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This Originally posted by Maine Eagle
This is the key. Parish has done and does do a lot of good things for the club, but one of the things Steve Parish hasn't figured out after all of these years is how to manage a squad. If he hasnt got it down by now he probably never will. Benteke has been an abject failure for over 14 months now, and to address that we signed a guy in Sorloth who failed in the Dutch top flight, and Ayew on loan. Its not good enough. Yes we have assembled a solid defense and defensively solid midfield but other than Meyer, who often doesnt get to play, where is the creativity in the middle of the park? Other than Wilf Zaha and our left back where are the goal threats? RH does not have enough attacking options, and we are suffering for it with a serious lack of goals in our game at the moment. RH not having enough attacking options is the responsibility of the chairman.
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Painter Croydon 24 Oct 18 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
This is the key. Parish has done and does do a lot of good things for the club, but one of the things Steve Parish hasn't figured out after all of these years is how to manage a squad. If he hasnt got it down by now he probably never will. Benteke has been an abject failure for over 14 months now, and to address that we signed a guy in Sorloth who failed in the Dutch top flight, and Ayew on loan. Its not good enough. Yes we have assembled a solid defense and defensively solid midfield but other than Meyer, who often doesnt get to play, where is the creativity in the middle of the park? Other than Wilf Zaha and our left back where are the goal threats? RH does not have enough attacking options, and we are suffering for it with a serious lack of goals in our game at the moment. RH not having enough attacking options is the responsibility of the chairman. I disagree with your last statement. It is the manager and coaches job to improve and get the best out of their players. For all their good points, Roy and Ray have failed in the striker department. Benteke was a top striker a few years ago, he has gone backwards under Roy, why?
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