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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 18 7.18pm | |
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I think a federal republic rather along the lines of West Germany, would be beneficial. I would advocate removal of the House of Lords and the monarchy really has no powers but is so representative of the nation. Caution there if we get an absolute duffer when HRH passes on.!!!!!!! Real involvement of the rest of England outside Westminster, together with the other members of the Union, are essential IMO.
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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 18 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
But a referendum is first past the post as well and you have just argued that people have to accept those results. Live your own arguments. The government that was elected decided to have a referendum.....it was governing.....you can't pick and choose. Quite so S.... So why elect them in the first place, thank you, the voters. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Oct 2018 7.13pm)
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YT Oxford 11 Oct 18 9.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I would prefer a republic but the majority of the country still love the Royal family. Personally I am very fond of our queen who has done a brilliant job, the rest of her family not so much. The problem we republicans have is what do you replace the monarchy with, there is no consensus as the Australians discovered. Do you want a President like the USA / France or a figure head like Ireland. If you go for a figure head you may end up with the human equivalent of boaty mcboat face e.g. President Lilly Allen. For now I say leave things as they are. There are constitutional changes that should be made after our queen departs this mortal coil. Before Charles III is enthroned we should disestablish the Church of England the only other countries that have a state religion you would probably not want to live in. Currently the monarch cannot be catholic that needs to be changed. Personally I don't care what they are it is a matter of conscience but the head of the Church of England should not be the monarch but the Archbishop of Canterbury and that role should be selected by the church and not the Prime Minister. There are probably other technical changes as well including for instance a term limit. In Scandinavia the monarchs abdicate when they feel no longer up to the job and this is no big deal. Our queen in her coronation oath took this as a job for life her successors should not be lumbered with that. What a lovely, balanced post, Badger; if I may say, Incidentally I recall (from somewhere back in the mist) that Chas is intending to be King George VII when his time comes.
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the.universal 11 Oct 18 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Maybe not, but it is a discussion board after all. Or should I leave you all to agree how great “(y)our perspectives” are.
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JL85 London,SE9 11 Oct 18 9.53pm | |
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Electable head of state? Yes please.
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the.universal 11 Oct 18 10.06pm | |
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L Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Explain. I think Britain has a better track record on freedom of speech than does America: 1950s anticommunism purge impacted the civil rights of all Americans. Free speech was not so important then, apparently (despite a written consitiution).
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Oct 18 7.49am | |
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I see Windsor council is threatening to move on the useless lazy scroungers because of today's wedding. I think that's a bit harsh after all they are the brides parents.
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Cannonball High in the Ozarks. 12 Oct 18 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I see Windsor council is threatening to move on the useless lazy scroungers because of today's wedding. I think that's a bit harsh after all they are the brides parents. Best post of the week !
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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
L I think Britain has a better track record on freedom of speech than does America: 1950s anticommunism purge impacted the civil rights of all Americans. Free speech was not so important then, apparently (despite a written consitiution). The 50s??? Really? How you can point to the McCarthy era as an attack on civil rights when major conservative voices are being silenced all over the Internet by 'progressive' left wing companies in Silicon Valley....that simply astounds me.....Indeed it's only that 'written constitution' that stops them from deleting all of them. It's only that 'written constitution' that enables them to face prosecution. Perhaps you don't realise but the black list and then McCarthy era came not long after WW2 where communists were most definitely within Hollywood and using it for propaganda.....for example, making 'Mission to Moscow' (1943) an obvious pro-Stalin propaganda made directly by Hollywood. While I think....as always seems to happen...things went too far.....Watch that clip and tell me that nothing should have been done. In the UK we have eroded and damaged free speech laws massively.....we have sent Police to the door of thousands of people for expressing non PC thoughts on the Internet....We have sent people to jail over expressing opinions....How on earth can you seriously talk about us as being better on free speech when we prosecute people for poor taste jokes and rap lyrics. So no, you are wrong. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 10.39am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Oct 18 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by Cannonball
Best post of the week ! I enjoyed that too. And how accurate !
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the.universal 12 Oct 18 11.51am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 50s??? Really? How you can point to the McCarthy era as an attack on civil rights when major conservative voices are being silenced all over the Internet by 'progressive' left wing companies in Silicon Valley....that simply astounds me.....Indeed it's only that 'written constitution' that stops them from deleting all of them. It's only that 'written constitution' that enables them to face prosecution. Perhaps you don't realise but the black list and then McCarthy era came not long after WW2 where communists were most definitely within Hollywood and using it for propaganda.....for example, making 'Mission to Moscow' (1943) an obvious pro-Stalin propaganda made directly by Hollywood. While I think....as always seems to happen...things went too far.....Watch that clip and tell me that nothing should have been done. In the UK we have eroded and damaged free speech laws massively.....we have sent Police to the door of thousands of people for expressing non PC thoughts on the Internet....We have sent people to jail over expressing opinions....How on earth can you seriously talk about us as being better on free speech when we prosecute people for poor taste jokes and rap lyrics. So no, you are wrong. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 10.39am) I feel like you’ve made some incorrect assumptions about my politics. I wouldn’t disagree with your first paragraph but two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Stirlingsays 12 Oct 18 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
I feel like you’ve made some incorrect assumptions about my politics. I wouldn’t disagree with your first paragraph but two wrongs don’t make a right.
So this isn't personal.. Just arguing the toss over that point. Free speech is under attack both here and in the US and the authoritarians are looking to implement their own form of 'heresy laws'...by usage of the 'hate' justification. If the religious right were doing their 'heresy laws'...like they tried to do with their 80s attempted takeover of the Republican party then these 'progressives' would be up in arms....but because it's them doing it with their politics it's alright and they refuse to see the contradiction. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2018 12.46pm)
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