Given the stranglehold that the Left have over many aspects of our national institutions, along with the wider Zeitgeist, then what the Left do and think is incredibly important.

Just as an example, and one that is very personal and pertinent to me, the Left wing campaign issues around how people who self-identify as being women, despite actually being born as men, can use ladies public loo's. I have teenage daughters and nieces. If I am out with them, and waiting for them to use the loo, and see what is clearly a man dressed in women's clothing, follow them in, how do I react to that?

It might sound like a small issue but that is one example of how Left/Progressive thought/influence impact on my life and those of my loved ones. Obviously, I am vigorously opposed to it and would act accordingly but the subsequent fall out would play negatively on me.

The left do drive much of our modern soical agenda. They need to be confronted on that and made to account for their beliefs and the impact of that.

And at the other end of the scale, you have Rotherham. And Rochdale. And Newcastle. And Oxford. And so on and on.

We are in a culture war. The Left wants to rip up many aspects of our wider British culture/way of life/accepted ways of life. The debate and resistance has to be active on many, many levels.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

If the left do have some stranglehold on national institutions, at least it didn’t affect the outcome of the last 3 general elections. Although you could argue Corbyn’s charisma helped enable Brexit (I wouldn’t necessarily).

Regarding the transgender toilet issue, I do understand you point of view. I know we’d always like to make the risk zero for our children, but that’s not always possible. Is the likelihood of that situation happening really in the realms of what you should be concerned about? To me it seems very remote versus eg online threats.

Regarding Rotherham, Rochdale and other terrible events, i’d agree the left & the police are not facing up to the racial element of the crimes.

Vive le Roy!

This is a label you apply and it's also a label that the far left would apply.

I would have some disagreements with the quote you posted but nothing like your reaction....Again, I ask where is the 'white supremacy'?

I read a reasonable amount. I answered all the points, you covered I think and mostly answered your contentions.

I gave a recognition that both his most famous sayings are in fact summaries of his views made by others.

Whether he would subscribe to these endorsements today is unknown.

I've already answered on the 'Voltaire' quote.

You come across as a lefty because you keep using the 'white supremacist' label and reacted like a lefty to socially conservative talking points. Also you have linked to several left wing articles and have just accepted their statements. You keep referring to white supremacists and I keep asking for evidence for that.

Like I said, you are probably socially liberal but economically right wing....only you know...but if you are it's the old, 'the cake and eat it' brigade.

Shift the argument? How exactly? I answered your point and gave an explanation for why Voltaire would reasonably hold that viewpoint on democracy.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I've never come across a conservative who regularly uses it personally.

Looking up Keven Strom's Wikipedia page it calls him a 'white nationalist' and 'neo Nazi'....and also that he has a child p*** conviction.

I don't know what his actual views are but what I would state is that 'superiority' is not a word I support and that kiddy p*** is horrific.

As for the quotation I've made the point that the origin of the quote isn't important. What is important is how accurate it is.

To quote from one of your links:

'Dr Paul Gibbard, of the University of Western Australia, one of the world’s leading experts in Voltaire who worked as a researcher at the Voltaire Foundation in Oxford, said it was one of the many that were falsely attributed to the writer.'

“If you put Voltaire’s name to it, it certainly has much more authority than if it was just your own quotation.”

But “in terms of its spirit”, the quotation was “not un-Voltarian”, in that it captured his resistance to authority. “So even though it’s not by Voltaire, you can see why people might think it was,” he said.

You keep making this claim that I have to provide evidence.....Evidence for what?

I've essentially agreed with Dr Paul Gibbard up there.

Are you asking me to prove how I know that Voltaire's other famously attributed quote is from a summary of his views remembered by a friend of his?

What matters is the content of the quotation and not whether we like the source or not....As I stated, Stalin has a very famous quote attributed to him that is often cited and when last I looked he isn't on many people's top ten people list.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2018 3.23am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

So you accept that by promoting a value system that allows men who self-define as women to use the ladies, you feel that it is fine to increase the risk of sexual assault? I read yesterday that over 90% of reported sexual assault claims in public swimming baths/health centres occur in unisex changing rooms. Clearly, this idea of mixing the sexes in such environments is detrimental to women's well-being. But its all in a good cause right?

Accept the Police are 'facing up' to the racial element of the crime. And the social services. And the local councillors. It was specifically the racial element of them that meant that the crimes were, at the very best, ignored and at the worst actually helped along. There is plenty of evidence of people who were deemed to be 'unhelpful' by refusing to sit back and accept being sent off on diversity training or even losing their jobs.

Even on the Labour front bench today, or rather or not, we have a certain Sarah Champion, the actual MP for Rotherham so a lady who comes with a certain cachet for perhaps being more on the spot than most, being threatened with deselection because she dared to voice an opinion that annoyed Muslim critics. And one of those critics, Naz Shah, a lady who 'liked' a tweet calling on the victims of the grooming gangs to keep quiet in the interests of diversity, gets promoted to that very same front bench. And Champion has to have extra protection because of threats of violence. Still, an acceptable price to pay right?

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The Progressive Left represent a huge and proven danger to the well-being of many in this country. Their policies have already damaged many, many lives and they threaten to magnify that many fold should they ever get a serious chance at Government.

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

To understand the Left and their (perception) of being anti-white, you need to understand the whole 'white guilt' phenomena.

Many believe in it. With the only conclusion being that they see being white, in and of itself, as being somehow a form of crime.

In some ways, it is a rather biblical view if you accept a sort of 'sins of the father' narrative to how you should feel about supposed crimes or wrongdoings in your families past.

But crimes have to be paid for right? Redemption sort. And so you champion those who are non-white, whilst attempting to distance yourself, naturally, from the punishment by aligning yourself to a form of victimhood as well via a variety of methods, so that you can share the pain. And why they love this 'Gammon' notion.

If somebody wants to feel guilty for the colour of their skin, then best of British to them. What I object to is when they look to punish other people, with a similar skin tone, by way of atonement for that. You want to wear a hair-shirt, be my guest but don't try and make me.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.