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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jun 18 8.09pm
Originally posted by the.universal Counselling is great, I genuinely think everyone could benefit from it. For me, it’s not about backbone, or lack of. It’s about making your life and relationships better. That is my experience in any case. In certain cases yes, but this reminds about 20 years ago a friend of mine got a good hiding within 24 hours instead of chasing up the crime first they asked him if he'd like to see a councillor. This all goes back to Blair's touchy feely socialism he espoused. Also I'd wager a lot of people don't want this option in the first place although I accept some people might. Everytime you get some horrific school shooting the first thing they churn out is "The kids return to school next Monday where grief councillors will be on standby' Pro USA & Israel
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Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jun 18 8.09pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Counselling is great, I genuinely think everyone could benefit from it. For me, it’s not about backbone, or lack of. It’s about making your life and relationships better. That is my experience in any case.

In certain cases yes, but this reminds about 20 years ago a friend of mine got a good hiding within 24 hours instead of chasing up the crime first they asked him if he'd like to see a councillor. This all goes back to Blair's touchy feely socialism he espoused.
Also I'd wager a lot of people don't want this option in the first place although I accept some people might.
Everytime you get some horrific school shooting the first thing they churn out is "The kids return to school next Monday where grief councillors will be on standby'

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the.universal 16 Jun 18 8.22pm
Originally posted by Jimenez In certain cases yes, but this reminds about 20 years ago a friend of mine got a good hiding within 24 hours instead of chasing up the crime first they asked him if he'd like to see a councillor. This all goes back to Blair's touchy feely socialism he espoused. Also I'd wager a lot of people don't want this option in the first place although I accept some people might. Everytime you get some horrific school shooting the first thing they churn out is "The kids return to school next Monday where grief councillors will be on standby' Fair enough, I don’t know much about counselling to get over being a victim of crime, I’d rather they spent the time & money to hunt the person down. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 16 Jun 18 8.22pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Fair enough, I don’t know much about counselling to get over being a victim of crime, I’d rather they spent the time & money to hunt the person down.

Vive le Roy!

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jun 18 8.24pm
Originally posted by the.universal The cladding was unsafe, so either someone at the manufacturer (in case they lied about their product meeting the regualtions), the company that carried out the works (in case they used cladding not meeting regulations), or someone within the government (in case they allowed unsafe cladding to be used). There have been significant failings this case. The first step should be to investigate what has gone wrong, learn the lessons and then bring wrongdoers to justice over it. You are on very rocky ground. An investigation has just started. It is in all likelihood that this cladding, it's installation and the instruction were all within the rules at the time which means they are not the perpetrators. Hindsight is wonderful. There is no proof of how the fire actually started. The fridge being the start place is not proved. I have heard that the block was recently changed from electric to gas. If true then Maybe a gas appliance was being used incorrectly which could have been the start point. Let us wait for the enquiry outcome and then respond to the findings. I fear one side may be disappointed with the outcome.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Jun 18 8.24pm

Originally posted by the.universal

The cladding was unsafe, so either someone at the manufacturer (in case they lied about their product meeting the regualtions), the company that carried out the works (in case they used cladding not meeting regulations), or someone within the government (in case they allowed unsafe cladding to be used).

There have been significant failings this case. The first step should be to investigate what has gone wrong, learn the lessons and then bring wrongdoers to justice over it.

You are on very rocky ground.
An investigation has just started.
It is in all likelihood that this cladding, it's installation and the instruction were all within the rules at the time which means they are not the perpetrators.
Hindsight is wonderful.
There is no proof of how the fire actually started.
The fridge being the start place is not proved.
I have heard that the block was recently changed from electric to gas. If true then Maybe a gas appliance was being used incorrectly which could have been the start point.
Let us wait for the enquiry outcome and then respond to the findings.
I fear one side may be disappointed with the outcome.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Jun 18 9.18pm
Becky, you are spot on. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Jun 18 9.18pm

Becky, you are spot on.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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YT Oxford 16 Jun 18 9.42pm
Originally posted by the.universal The cladding was unsafe, so either someone at the manufacturer (in case they lied about their product meeting the regualtions), the company that carried out the works (in case they used cladding not meeting regulations), or someone within the government (in case they allowed unsafe cladding to be used). There have been significant failings this case. The first step should be to investigate what has gone wrong, learn the lessons and then bring wrongdoers to justice over it. That is not the same thing as rich people suing them. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 16 Jun 18 9.42pm

Originally posted by the.universal

There have been significant failings this case. The first step should be to investigate what has gone wrong, learn the lessons and then bring wrongdoers to justice over it.

That is not the same thing as rich people suing them.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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the.universal 16 Jun 18 10.01pm
Originally posted by YT That is not the same thing as rich people suing them. Rich people do get a better class of justice, just the way it is. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 16 Jun 18 10.01pm

Originally posted by YT

That is not the same thing as rich people suing them.

Rich people do get a better class of justice, just the way it is.

Vive le Roy!

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 16 Jun 18 10.40pm
Originally posted by the.universal Rich people do get a better class of justice, just the way it is. Top law teams cost money. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Brentmiester_General

Front line in the battle against t... 16 Jun 18 10.40pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Rich people do get a better class of justice, just the way it is.

Top law teams cost money.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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the.universal 16 Jun 18 11.07pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General Top law teams cost money. They do. I think this is the point Slimey Toad was also making in his post. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 16 Jun 18 11.07pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Top law teams cost money.

They do. I think this is the point Slimey Toad was also making in his post.

Vive le Roy!

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Jamesey Wandsworth 16 Jun 18 11.49pm
Extremely eloquently and succinctly put, Becky...where does it all end? We should mourn those who we regard as deserving including friends and relatives lost in military service. No disrespect to the Grenfell victims but I'll save my grief for my father's generation many of whom were killed in World War II. Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Jamesey

Wandsworth 16 Jun 18 11.49pm

Extremely eloquently and succinctly put, Becky...where does it all end? We should mourn those who we regard as deserving including friends and relatives lost in military service. No disrespect to the Grenfell victims but I'll save my grief for my father's generation many of whom were killed in World War II.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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pax3908 17 Jun 18 8.57am
Originally posted by becky Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack. Why? What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so. I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it. However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day. Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone? The only purpose it serves is to keep us all miserable, we have become a nation of Grief fest, we love wallowing in self pity just move on and get over it,!!
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17 Jun 18 8.57am

Originally posted by becky

Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack.

Why?

What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so.

I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it.

However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day.

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

The only purpose it serves is to keep us all miserable, we have become a nation of Grief fest, we love wallowing in self pity just move on and get over it,!!

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 17 Jun 18 11.35am
Originally posted by pax3908 The only purpose it serves is to keep us all miserable, we have become a nation of Grief fest, we love wallowing in self pity just move on and get over it,!! it started with Diana. Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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Originally posted by pax3908

The only purpose it serves is to keep us all miserable, we have become a nation of Grief fest, we love wallowing in self pity just move on and get over it,!!

it started with Diana.

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Stuk Top half 17 Jun 18 12.58pm
Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall it started with Diana. And I still can't believe they cancelled the football for that. I was driving at the time of the one last week. The station i was listening to then proceeded to play some weird background noise, so I changed station. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 17 Jun 18 12.58pm

Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

it started with Diana.

And I still can't believe they cancelled the football for that.

I was driving at the time of the one last week. The station i was listening to then proceeded to play some weird background noise, so I changed station.

Optimistic as ever

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