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  Hrolf The Ganger  31 May 18 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Then she definitely had at least one major, which is a fail. There were always people banging on about there being pass quotas per day/per centre back when I did mine, they were normally the people who had failed. Naturally, but that isn't good evidence either way. I wanted people's opinions on this and it appears that they aren't as cynical or suspicious on this as I am.
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| IMpalace London 31 May 18 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
As I have said many times in different topics. I prefer my own experience to 'official' statistics. Right, ok. To be honest if you're basing it off the few people you know who have failed their driving tests and told you it was unfair then yes, driving tests are really unfair.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by IMpalace
Right, ok. To be honest if you're basing it off the few people you know who have failed their driving tests and told you it was unfair then yes, driving tests are really unfair. Te he. What I'm suggesting is that official statistics can be misleading, especially when designed to be so. I suppose you think that Oswald was the lone gunman.
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| Stuk Top half 31 May 18 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Direwolf
I failed my first one in Croydon, where the traffic was a nightmare. Passed the second in Sutton, where less so. Mind you on the first I failed because I 'failed to observe road signs'. I thought that was a bit sneaky, although ultimately correct, as the examiner told me where to go at every turning bar one, where he said nothing. This was at a one way junction and he said nothing until I said 'which way would you like me to go'? This was obviously his test for observing road signs, which is probably fine if every other examiner uses the same test with all pupils. The more driving you can do, rather than continually having to stop and start, the better. I think I can recall having to turn into a one way road when I did mine.
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| Stuk Top half 31 May 18 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Naturally, but that isn't good evidence either way. I wanted people's opinions on this and it appears that they aren't as cynical or suspicious on this as I am. When it's conjecture there is no evidence either way, never mind good evidence. Like I said i'm surprised the pass rate is so low, but there have been plenty of stories of people using lookalikes to pass their tests for them. Where there is a human element to anything, and there is to both sitting and evaluating a driving test, there will be variables. Some judges give different sentences to different people on different days, despite the crimes being the same. Some examiners likewise I'd guess.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
When it's conjecture there is no evidence either way, never mind good evidence. Like I said i'm surprised the pass rate is so low, but there have been plenty of stories of people using lookalikes to pass their tests for them. Where there is a human element to anything, and there is to both sitting and evaluating a driving test, there will be variables. Some judges give different sentences to different people on different days, despite the crimes being the same. Some examiners likewise I'd guess. Yes. A certain amount of inconsistency is inevitable. I am more concerned with a deliberate effort to pass only so many people or a personal grievance or bias against certain instructors or something of that nature.
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| Stuk Top half 31 May 18 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes. A certain amount of inconsistency is inevitable. I am more concerned with a deliberate effort to pass only so many people or a personal grievance or bias against certain instructors or something of that nature. It'd be pointless to fail people if the examiner had a grievance with a certain instructor or a company, as the person they've failed is more likely to book even more lessons with them. I wouldn't have thought many people blame their instructor for them failing, so therefore they don't change them. In fact the only way they could guarantee denying the instructor any further earnings would be to pass them.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 31 May 18 4.24pm |
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On the subject of bias, the instructor had at least as much, if not more motivation to say that the pupil was a good driver and that they’d done their job correctly
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It'd be pointless to fail people if the examiner had a grievance with a certain instructor or a company, as the person they've failed is more likely to book even more lessons with them. I wouldn't have thought many people blame their instructor for them failing, so therefore they don't change them. In fact the only way they could guarantee denying the instructor any further earnings would be to pass them. I see your reasoning. I was wondering if the wanted to encourage people to use particular driving schools as opposed to one man operations for example, where the teaching might be less standardised. I'm going to ask my sons instructor for his observations.
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| IMpalace London 31 May 18 4.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Te he. What I'm suggesting is that official statistics can be misleading, especially when designed to be so. I suppose you think that Oswald was the lone gunman. Fair enough. There obviously isn't a way for me to prove that the government statistics are accurate. In my experience, people who have just failed say the system is cheating them and people who pass (including those who have failed previously) have very little concern. You're unlikely to ever get an answer so I guess you have to weigh up the two options based on the evidence you have. Option 1) Your sample of three people you have spoken to have failed their tests because they are not ready to be on the road yet and would rather say they were cheated than admit they made a mistake (I certainly did when I was 17 and failed my first one) Option 2) There is a country wide government scam to fail people and put out false statistics on pass rates to con the population into paying more. Edited by IMpalace (31 May 2018 4.47pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
On the subject of bias, the instructor had at least as much, if not more motivation to say that the pupil was a good driver and that they’d done their job correctly I agree and this also concerns me. It's difficult to know the best course of action. I don't think an instructor would stay in business long if all his clients kept failing. Not good for word of mouth.
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| Stuk Top half 31 May 18 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see your reasoning. I was wondering if the wanted to encourage people to use particular driving schools as opposed to one man operations for example, where the teaching might be less standardised. I'm going to ask my sons instructor for his observations. I don't recall them asking who your instructor is when you book it, nor while you're taking the test itself. You don't even have to have one.
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