Except it is not. And this is the Elephant in the room about the entire immigration debate. We have an ageing population who will live for longer and longer now. To put it bluntly, we need more people to come and settle here to ensure that the tax base increases. Growth is both the only solution and also the intractable problem with our system.

Outside of some Darwinian approach in which society makes a collective decision to both withdraw many life extending treatments for the elderly along with actively encourage young people to marry and start knocking out kids at a much faster rate, the only conclusion to arrive at is that we need more people to choose the UK to settle down in.

My issue is not with immigration per se but how our system operates in terms of it and my only single regret over Brexit is that I see the freedom of movement policy for EU citizens as the potential solution threatened. Simply, and bluntly put, EU migrants offer a raft more to this UK than almost any other group outside of those from the wider Anglosphere.

For my money the issue is about quality of migrants rather than whether we need them or not.

It is not Poles blowing themselves up on our tubes nor is it Romanians detonating bombs at our pop concerts. EU migrants fit in better. They share our cultural values, they share our desires and our ambitions and they share our values.

Yes, the situation needs to be managed more along with severe pressure put on both UK employers and the education system to increase our skill base but I loathe how the debate has effectively become almost binary in that you either want unlimited immigration or none at all.

We need migrants. Lets get the right ones.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Mass immigration' by Midlands Eagle

A great video on the madness of what the anglosphere has been doing to itself.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think it will lead to conflict instead.....but I think it will be a gradual worsening. After that it will lead to separation.

It's going to be horrible and it's all the fault of idealogs.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

This is the kind of thinking that has led to this mess. It is short term thinking which creates far worse problems than it solves.

It's a ponzi scheme......immigrants get old too.....you have to continually and continually increase the size of the incoming immigration population.

How does this pass for a solution?

Japan rejected this route decades ago and have a larger GDP than we do. They only allow 'guest workers' they can't settle permanently there.

Guess what....in a 100 years time, Japan will still be Japanese.

It's the wrong conclusion.

Sure it's wise to encourage British people to have more children. Sure it's wise to have some sort of immigration policy. Look at how Hungary do it. They only want small levels of selective immigration and they encourage native families to have children. They are poorer than us but have made it very plain that they don't want our immigration problems.

Stopping EU freedom of movement means that we can filter from Europe.....not that we have to stop all EU immigration.

The GDP increase by population growth is an outdated and harmful mindset.

Automation is going to be the solution here. That's going to mean we require less people here for jobs....not more.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If your on the left what do you think of this?
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Sound familiar?

Gordon Brown is not “on the left”. He was the chancellor and subsequent PM of New Labour. Whether you think Corbyn is the saviour of the world or an absolute abomination, attempting to compare his Labour Party with recent ones before is just ridiculous. He voted against new labour more than the Tories did.

I would vote for a Tory Red labour over the Conservatives any day of the week, as I think the small differences in their policies can make big differences to people’s lives. But politicians of a Blairite nature are some of the most despicable human beings in existence. They stand on the platform of helping the little guy, but their every action contradicts what they claim is their intention. At least with the Tories, and I say this very cautiously, you (kind of) know what you’re getting.

Blair, Brown and the like are not left wing politicians. They’re centrists. Their kind is also the reason Labour has been nowhere near office up until the last general election. Centrism is the politics of justifying your love of consumption, whilst also appearing as some form of moral superior, in a big cake and eat it orgy.

No idea why those on the right keep attempting to use New Labour as some sort of stick to beat Corbyn and his supporters with.

We're the Arthur over ere!