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Stuk Flag Top half 03 May 18 6.42pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I was asked "why is that the only way". But even if you wanted to insert "fair" into the question that's fine. You've not answered it though.

It's the only fair way. That is the answer to your question. His was rhetorical by prefixing it with "surely".

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 03 May 18 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'm an atheist but I have no problem with it. Why shouldn't people be allowed to make requests for religious reasons? The requirement is merely to make reasonable accommodation, not to simply acquiesce to every whim when people mention it's a faith based request. Ignoring requests to follow a self-imposed rule is lazy and jobsworthy. She was in the wrong and should have done what she could within reason. It seems odd that you would argue that she shouldn't have acted reasonably, or that trying to help people who have such requests would somehow be unreasonable. The only reason I can see for thinking that is that you have a problem with people with such views.

Are you suggesting that airlines shouldn't have to offer kosher meals because that would be giving people preferential treatment on the grounds of religion. They always get their meals first as well. Maybe you should complain about that? Your line of argument would follow that airlines shouldn't have to offer kosher/halal meals.

Companies make accommodations for Jewish people on Friday afternoons all across the country. I would suggest it would be unreasonable for a company to not make such accommodations providing that the employee made up the hours/got all their work done. It sounds like you would feel quite the opposite and that it was unreasonable for Jewish people to make such requests.

You can make requests but they should also be able to be refused. She wasn't in the wrong and she acted very reasonably by treating everyone the same. i.e. fairly. You are an argument of one, for the sake of it.

I said preferential treatment. Asking for a kosher meal isn't and anyone else could also request it from an airline. Asking for steak and chips or lobster would be wanting preferential treatment and you'd be told where to go.

That last scenario is again not preferential. Getting a day off or an afternoon off and not making it up, while being paid the same as others who don't get that would be.

The last line of your first paragraph is idiotic. Stick to the topic in hand.

 


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YT Flag Oxford 03 May 18 7.42pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Not really. It could be fairly easily proven that such a religion was in fact not a religion and not based on any widely and deeply held belief, but merely set up for personal or political reasons.

Like Scientology, for example?

 


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Direwolf Flag Lincoln 03 May 18 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

You can make requests but they should also be able to be refused. She wasn't in the wrong and she acted very reasonably by treating everyone the same. i.e. fairly. You are an argument of one, for the sake of it.

I said preferential treatment. Asking for a kosher meal isn't and anyone else could also request it from an airline. Asking for steak and chips or lobster would be wanting preferential treatment and you'd be told where to go.

That last scenario is again not preferential. Getting a day off or an afternoon off and not making it up, while being paid the same as others who don't get that would be.

The last line of your first paragraph is idiotic. Stick to the topic in hand.

As I understand it this is exactly what the judges did say.
'A Coroner cannot lawfully exclude religious reasons for seeking expedition of decisions by that Coroner....'
AND
'It would be wrong for a Coroner to impose a rule of automatic priority for cases where there are religious reasons for seeking expedition'.

 

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