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Safe Standing Bid Rejected By Goverment
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 DutchEagleJohan  Vlissingen, Netherlands 10 Apr 18 1.42pm |
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So are you saying the Hillborough disaster was due to the behaviour of the Liverpool fans, they brought it upon themselves and the whole aftermath was a PR push from Liverpool? I more often read it between the lines but frankly struggle to see any evidence. I have great respect for what they achieved in the aftermath and how the establishment was taken on and to as far an extent as one can imagine: beaten.
Originally posted by jeeagles
How many people have died due to crushes on terraces not involving Liverpool Football Club? Liverpool 135. Every other English club 0. Plus Hillsborough didn't have an up to date safety certificate, and the people in charge were underqualified.
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Brentmiester_General  Front line in the battle against t... 10 Apr 18 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
Just consider that if Hillsborough had been an all seater 96 people would not have died. PZ, you are quite right in what you say. But the new alternative being offered is called safe standing because it is safe. No one is proposing the return to open terracing.
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| PZ Eagle Penzance 10 Apr 18 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
PZ, you are quite right in what you say. But the new alternative being offered is called safe standing because it is safe. No one is proposing the return to open terracing. You are correct but I don't think that all fans understand the concept. I have seen quotes from fans who think they will be able to stand where they like even in a safe standing area. These days I like to sit down but for about 30 years I stood on the Holmesdale Terrace before moving to the Arthur.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Apr 18 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by dorking
At most Premier League matches, the away end is usually sold out. 90% of people stand. If you want to sit and watch the game, unless you have been lucky and got a seat in row 1 or 2, you cannot see, so are forced to stand. And the people standing are doing so with nothing to stop them if someone behind them falls into them, for example after a goal. Incredible decision to not allow it in the Prem and Championship, yet it is allowed in L1 and L2. Illogical even. So next season Sunderland (assuming they go down) could have it for example My views on standing in all-seater stadiums have been well documented. Dangerous and totally disrespectful to fellow supporters who want to SIT and watch the game but have their view obscured by those who could not give a jot about others.Makes my bloody blood boil. On the assumption that these "Standers" would gravitate to the 'Safe Standing' at least those who wish to actually SIT would do so without some inconsiderate supporters deeming it is acceptable to stand in front of them.
Edited by Willo (10 Apr 2018 5.16pm)
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chateauferret  10 Apr 18 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Nobody would have died without the concentration camp security fences and inept policing and management. To blame this on standing is to still blame the supporters - as the government always has. Is the correct answer.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Apr 18 7.24pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
My views on standing in all-seater stadiums have been well documented. Dangerous and totally disrespectful to fellow supporters who want to SIT and watch the game but have their view obscured by those who could not give a jot about others.Makes my bloody blood boil. On the assumption that these "Standers" would gravitate to the 'Safe Standing' at least those who wish to actually SIT would do so without some inconsiderate supporters deeming it is acceptable to stand in front of them.
Edited by Willo (10 Apr 2018 5.16pm) I am against standing but tend to agree if the Premier league can show it is safe. However I would restrict the numbers and areas in the ground. Probably the singing area at each ground would be the logical choice. Oh and the minute there was crowd trouble / safety issue shut it down.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Apr 18 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am against standing but tend to agree if the Premier league can show it is safe. However I would restrict the numbers and areas in the ground. Probably the singing area at each ground would be the logical choice. Oh and the minute there was crowd trouble / safety issue shut it down. I believe before there is any change in the legislation, there would have to be a very clear demand, and very clear evidence that any such change meets stringent safety standards, presented from all the relevant authorities responsible for stadium safety, including the Police, as well as it being clear that 'Safe Standing' is what all parties want.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 11 Apr 18 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I believe before there is any change in the legislation, there would have to be a very clear demand, and very clear evidence that any such change meets stringent safety standards, presented from all the relevant authorities responsible for stadium safety, including the Police, as well as it being clear that 'Safe Standing' is what all parties want. This is already the case....there is over 20years of evidence across Europe and the demand from fans (even Liverpool ones) is swelling...but you'd know that if you read the articles posted above in the thread..
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| simonmdt x 11 Apr 18 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
This is already the case....there is over 20years of evidence across Europe and the demand from fans (even Liverpool ones) is swelling...but you'd know that if you read the articles posted above in the thread.. You're wasting your time, mate. Willo just likes to whinge and moan. Frankly, the best argument for standing at a game is that it makes his blood boil. Edited by simonmdt (11 Apr 2018 12.41pm)
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 12 Apr 18 9.45am |
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The strongest argument for any government is that there hasn't been another Hillsborough since stadiums in the top two tiers became all-seater. The argument that some still stand anyway won't influence them as the regulations are as much about controlling numbers in sections of the ground as anything else. Also, if there are injuries as a result of standing in seated stadiums, it's the clubs that will get the blame for failing to properly enforce the regulations. Neither will they be influenced by what goes on in other countries, including Scotland. No government at Westminster will want to be the one to makes changes, just in case there is another disaster (and no one can guarantee that there won't be). They have the best part of 20 years of evidence that the right decisions were made as a result of the Taylor Report, and few politicians will want to take the flack if something goes wrong as a result of changing those.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Apr 18 10.08am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
The strongest argument for any government is that there hasn't been another Hillsborough since stadiums in the top two tiers became all-seater. The argument that some still stand anyway won't influence them as the regulations are as much about controlling numbers in sections of the ground as anything else. Also, if there are injuries as a result of standing in seated stadiums, it's the clubs that will get the blame for failing to properly enforce the regulations. Neither will they be influenced by what goes on in other countries, including Scotland. No government at Westminster will want to be the one to makes changes, just in case there is another disaster (and no one can guarantee that there won't be). They have the best part of 20 years of evidence that the right decisions were made as a result of the Taylor Report, and few politicians will want to take the flack if something goes wrong as a result of changing those. I congratulate you on an excellent post. On the subject of standing in seated areas I was talking to a fellow supporter the other night who like me gets incandescent with rage about inconsiderate fans who stand and don't give a jot about those behend who wish to SIT and watch the game. He stated that such behaviour is "Illegal" and I respecfully pointed out that it wasn't a criminal offence and hence not illegal.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 Apr 18 10.27am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
The strongest argument for any government is that there hasn't been another Hillsborough since stadiums in the top two tiers became all-seater. The argument that some still stand anyway won't influence them as the regulations are as much about controlling numbers in sections of the ground as anything else. Also, if there are injuries as a result of standing in seated stadiums, it's the clubs that will get the blame for failing to properly enforce the regulations. Neither will they be influenced by what goes on in other countries, including Scotland. No government at Westminster will want to be the one to makes changes, just in case there is another disaster (and no one can guarantee that there won't be). They have the best part of 20 years of evidence that the right decisions were made as a result of the Taylor Report, and few politicians will want to take the flack if something goes wrong as a result of changing those.
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