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Stuk Top half 06 Apr 18 7.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Some might view your view on charities and tax in the same manner. You didn't keep that to yourself. And while I disagree with you I don't agree that you should censor yourself or be punished for the viewpoint. Bristow was encouraging a masculine answer to a problem....it was cackhanded, uncharitable and basic...and of course lots of people don't want to hear it.....they want to just hear emasculated males and pretend that all males think that way. However, it was just a view and to lose your job is severe. Criticism should have been enough. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 6.32pm) Are you really trying to compare comments on child abuse/sexual abuse to a debate about taxation and the extremely bloated charity sector? Also I'm not famous, nor employed by someone, and my comments are in a quite niche part of the internet, as oppose to on social media. It's got nothing to do whatsoever with being masculine or not, or whether that narrative suits someone, it's called common sense. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 06 Apr 18 7.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Some might view your view on charities and tax in the same manner.

You didn't keep that to yourself. And while I disagree with you I don't agree that you should censor yourself or be punished for the viewpoint.

Bristow was encouraging a masculine answer to a problem....it was cackhanded, uncharitable and basic...and of course lots of people don't want to hear it.....they want to just hear emasculated males and pretend that all males think that way.

However, it was just a view and to lose your job is severe. Criticism should have been enough.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 6.32pm)

Are you really trying to compare comments on child abuse/sexual abuse to a debate about taxation and the extremely bloated charity sector?

Also I'm not famous, nor employed by someone, and my comments are in a quite niche part of the internet, as oppose to on social media.

It's got nothing to do whatsoever with being masculine or not, or whether that narrative suits someone, it's called common sense.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 06 Apr 18 7.20pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well I'd have respected SKY more if they had asked him to apologise to anyone who was offended and leave it at that. Do employers expect to control the opinions of their staff outside of the working environment, on social media for example? Just consider how scary a concept that is when taken to its ultimate conclusion. A contract that demands the censorship of opinion cannot be a fair contract in my view. Sky are quite happy to sing his praises now that he is dead. That brings out the cynic in me I'm afraid, since it is clear that appearances mean everything to them. You might not agree and you might well be cynical, but you said they've been hypocrites and they haven't been. They're a media company, of course appearances mean everything to them. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 06 Apr 18 7.20pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well I'd have respected SKY more if they had asked him to apologise to anyone who was offended and leave it at that. Do employers expect to control the opinions of their staff outside of the working environment, on social media for example? Just consider how scary a concept that is when taken to its ultimate conclusion. A contract that demands the censorship of opinion cannot be a fair contract in my view.
Sky are quite happy to sing his praises now that he is dead. That brings out the cynic in me I'm afraid, since it is clear that appearances mean everything to them.

You might not agree and you might well be cynical, but you said they've been hypocrites and they haven't been.

They're a media company, of course appearances mean everything to them.

Optimistic as ever

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 18 8.53pm
Originally posted by Stuk You might not agree and you might well be cynical, but you said they've been hypocrites and they haven't been. They're a media company, of course appearances mean everything to them. So he was worthy of sacking when alive but a great bloke after he died. OK then.
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Originally posted by Stuk

You might not agree and you might well be cynical, but you said they've been hypocrites and they haven't been.

They're a media company, of course appearances mean everything to them.

So he was worthy of sacking when alive but a great bloke after he died.
OK then.

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Stirlingsays 06 Apr 18 9.29pm
Originally posted by Stuk Are you really trying to compare comments on child abuse/sexual abuse to a debate about taxation and the extremely bloated charity sector? Also I'm not famous, nor employed by someone, and my comments are in a quite niche part of the internet, as oppose to on social media. It's got nothing to do whatsoever with being masculine or not, or whether that narrative suits someone, it's called common sense. All your points of difference are of course correct. It isn't the same thing. The only comparison I make is in the realm of unpopular opinions and the right of a free man to air them without censor. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 9.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Apr 18 9.29pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Are you really trying to compare comments on child abuse/sexual abuse to a debate about taxation and the extremely bloated charity sector?

Also I'm not famous, nor employed by someone, and my comments are in a quite niche part of the internet, as oppose to on social media.

It's got nothing to do whatsoever with being masculine or not, or whether that narrative suits someone, it's called common sense.

All your points of difference are of course correct. It isn't the same thing.

The only comparison I make is in the realm of unpopular opinions and the right of a free man to air them without censor.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 9.30pm)

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Stuk Top half 07 Apr 18 12.12am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So he was worthy of sacking when alive but a great bloke after he died. OK then. The two things aren't correlated. He was sacked for breaching his terms employment and respected in his death for his achievements in his sport. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 07 Apr 18 12.12am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So he was worthy of sacking when alive but a great bloke after he died.
OK then.

The two things aren't correlated. He was sacked for breaching his terms employment and respected in his death for his achievements in his sport.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 07 Apr 18 12.22am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays All your points of difference are of course correct. It isn't the same thing. The only comparison I make is in the realm of unpopular opinions and the right of a free man to air them without censor. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 9.30pm) When someone puts their foot in their mouth publicly and freely they leave themself open to the court of opinion. No one censored him. Now, if you know of the case regarding an Ulster rugby player and what he's being subjected to in regard to a private message he sent, that was subsequently used in a rape trial as evidence with the shoddiest attempt to conceal his identity, then I'd agree about the realm of unpopular opinion. It exists, but not in cases like Eric's. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 07 Apr 18 12.22am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

All your points of difference are of course correct. It isn't the same thing.

The only comparison I make is in the realm of unpopular opinions and the right of a free man to air them without censor.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 9.30pm)

When someone puts their foot in their mouth publicly and freely they leave themself open to the court of opinion. No one censored him.

Now, if you know of the case regarding an Ulster rugby player and what he's being subjected to in regard to a private message he sent, that was subsequently used in a rape trial as evidence with the shoddiest attempt to conceal his identity, then I'd agree about the realm of unpopular opinion.

It exists, but not in cases like Eric's.

Optimistic as ever

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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 18 4.52am
Originally posted by Stuk When someone puts their foot in their mouth publicly and freely they leave themself open to the court of opinion. No one censored him. Now, if you know of the case regarding an Ulster rugby player and what he's being subjected to in regard to a private message he sent, that was subsequently used in a rape trial as evidence with the shoddiest attempt to conceal his identity, then I'd agree about the realm of unpopular opinion. It exists, but not in cases like Eric's. I used the word censor in the context of saying that a consequence acts like a censor. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Apr 18 4.52am

Originally posted by Stuk

When someone puts their foot in their mouth publicly and freely they leave themself open to the court of opinion. No one censored him.

It exists, but not in cases like Eric's.

I used the word censor in the context of saying that a consequence acts like a censor.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 07 Apr 18 7.44am
Good darts player. I preferred Jocky Wilson and Bobby George for the entertainment. Otherwise I thought he was a bit of an arsehole. He's allowed to say what he likes, but lots of us work in jobs where if you say something that's made public and affects your employers PR and harms the business you get sacked. If you work in that type of job you watch what you say. Simple. If you want to say what you like and dont care who you offend then you work for yourself. No one can sack you then. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 07 Apr 18 7.44am

Good darts player. I preferred Jocky Wilson and Bobby George for the entertainment.
Otherwise I thought he was a bit of an arsehole.
He's allowed to say what he likes, but lots of us work in jobs where if you say something that's made public and affects your employers PR and harms the business you get sacked. If you work in that type of job you watch what you say. Simple.
If you want to say what you like and dont care who you offend then you work for yourself. No one can sack you then.

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Apr 18 1.54pm
Originally posted by Stuk The two things aren't correlated. He was sacked for breaching his terms employment and respected in his death for his achievements in his sport. I accept that, but maybe he should have been respected a little more as a human being before his death and then the respect shown after might seem a little more genuine.
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07 Apr 18 1.54pm

Originally posted by Stuk

The two things aren't correlated. He was sacked for breaching his terms employment and respected in his death for his achievements in his sport.

I accept that, but maybe he should have been respected a little more as a human being before his death and then the respect shown after might seem a little more genuine.

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