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 Badger11  Beckenham 30 Jan 18 8.09am |
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Originally posted by becky
But colonialism is so, so bad, so absolutely evil, so destructive of the countries we colonised..... so why didn't India tear up the nasty imperial railways that they are still using today as the main connection to all parts of their vast continent? so why are they still producing a major part of the tea supplied to the world? (after all we colonialist nicked the bushes from China an planted them in India) why are so many African nations starving when they were all well fed under colonial rule, and even had enough over to feed some of the others? (looking at you Zimbabe!) why do no wives in India have to throw themselves on the funeral pyres of their husbands? (the families may just burn them in other ways anyway, but at least we tried to stop it) It wasn't perfect, it probably wasn't even that good, but why do they have to deny that there was even a modicum of good brought to these countries by the legacy of colonialism? Becky where have you been all my life. Totally agree with all of this. I also share the sentiment that protesting against someone long dead is hardly relevant to today. There are plenty of ills in this country now that need to be challenged such as FGM, Spousal abuse, child abuse and yes in some cases racism. Fight the battles you can win. This is typical Corbynism they wont be happy until they have re-won the battles of the 1970s.
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 becky over the moon 30 Jan 18 10.31am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I far from agree with these sort of pathetic protests, but if the best way you can describe colonialism is 'probably not that good', I think you're just as far off the mark. My comments are based on what I have seen in my lifetime. I cannot think of many (if any)countries where we did not leave them in a far better state than when we colonised them - administratively, economically and with a potential for future growth (which many of them chose to reject and return to the 'old' ways to their own detriment).
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johnno42000  30 Jan 18 10.59am |
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Originally posted by becky
My comments are based on what I have seen in my lifetime. I cannot think of many (if any)countries where we did not leave them in a far better state than when we colonised them - administratively, economically and with a potential for future growth (which many of them chose to reject and return to the 'old' ways to their own detriment). I agree to an extent Becky but would disagree that we left them better off in all those areas. My reasoning behind this is that, in Zambia, for instance, we did not train enough of the Zambians to take on the roles we were doing such as engineers, planners, electricians etc. A lot more thought from both ourselves and the ex-colonies into teaching people the skills required over a longer timeframe after independence would have been a far better way of doing things. I only mention Zambia as it had a relatively peaceful transition and I had relatives who worked in the mining industry our there. I'd also suggest that the cafe could come to some sort of arrangement with the protesters that they arrive on certain evenings like a cabaret and everyone could carry on eating like in Carry On Up The Khyber. Edited by johnno42000 (30 Jan 2018 11.06am)
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 30 Jan 18 11.13am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
I agree to an extent Becky but would disagree that we left them better off in all those areas. My reasoning behind this is that, in Zambia, for instance, we did not train enough of the Zambians to take on the roles we were doing such as engineers, planners, electricians etc. A lot more thought from both ourselves and the ex-colonies into teaching people the skills required over a longer timeframe after independence would have been a far better way of doing things. I only mention Zambia as it had a relatively peaceful transition and I had relatives who worked in the mining industry our there. I'd also suggest that the cafe could come to some sort of arrangement with the protesters that they arrive on certain evenings like a cabaret and everyone could carry on eating like in Carry On Up The Khyber. Edited by johnno42000 (30 Jan 2018 11.06am)
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| DanH SW2 30 Jan 18 11.29am |
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Well I for one certainly hope that Brexit is the first glorious step in reclaiming the Empire and what is rightfully ours. *stands up, salutes the Union Jack in my mind, wipes away a solitary tear*
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| Stirlingsays 30 Jan 18 11.35am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Well I for one certainly hope that Brexit is the first glorious step in reclaiming the Empire and what is rightfully ours. *stands up, salutes the Union Jack in my mind, wipes away a solitary tear*
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jeeagles  30 Jan 18 11.37am |
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There's a lot of oddballs in the world who seem to be determined to find ways of hating things. Churchill might not have been perfect, but at the time the Germans and Russian's had both committed genocide. Italy and Spain were fascist. Racial segregation still existed in the USA. The IRA were quite happy to team up with the Nazi's. Society's view of what was acceptable and unacceptable was completely different. By standing up to the Nazi's when many others wouldn't have he created the catalyst to the tolerant society we have today.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jan 18 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
I agree to an extent Becky but would disagree that we left them better off in all those areas. My reasoning behind this is that, in Zambia, for instance, we did not train enough of the Zambians to take on the roles we were doing such as engineers, planners, electricians etc. A lot more thought from both ourselves and the ex-colonies into teaching people the skills required over a longer timeframe after independence would have been a far better way of doing things. I only mention Zambia as it had a relatively peaceful transition and I had relatives who worked in the mining industry our there. I'd also suggest that the cafe could come to some sort of arrangement with the protesters that they arrive on certain evenings like a cabaret and everyone could carry on eating like in Carry On Up The Khyber. Edited by johnno42000 (30 Jan 2018 11.06am) I think this is a great idea. We already have restaurant theme nights like Fawlty Towers or Only Fools and Horses where the staff play the characters. This could catch on. Dinner at Churchills and enjoy repelling the leftie rebels with dessert.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jan 18 12.16am |
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The far left with their purity testing are the very example of political mental illness. Cultural Marxism has gone mainstream today. Today's Tory party is run by 'wets' who push 'social justice' themselves. Aside from side lined figures in the Tories there is no one in power pushing back against this 'feelings over reason' madness.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jan 18 12.19am |
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Lets not forget that we have 'hate laws'.....introduced by SJW May herself.....a so called Tory. Under these laws in 2014 a man was arrested for quoting from a Churchill book in the public space. That's what our police will do today.....arrest you because some of Churchill's words are 'officially' offensive in today's Britain. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2018 12.20am)
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| davenotamonkey 31 Jan 18 12.47am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Lucky Britain and our allies didn't require these limp wrists to fight for OUR freedom. Lump wrists sink ships
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| davenotamonkey 31 Jan 18 1.02am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Well I for one certainly hope that Brexit is the first glorious step in reclaiming the Empire and what is rightfully ours. *stands up, salutes the Union Jack in my mind, wipes away a solitary tear* It's a special kind of special (read: stupid) that invokes the tired old strawman of "The sun never sets on my reinvigorated Brexit empire". By no means objective or complete, but 0.0 Brexit people I have talked to have cited "the sun never setting" as their underlying reason. And I've talked IRL to many. But yeah, we're all thick racists that also got that secret "beat the incoming EU tax avoidance dirktivs" memo (with brown envelope of free rubles from the Russians) the remainers didn't get.
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