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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jan 18 11.00am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I didn't say it would necessarily be any better simply by changing government. The whole process should have been handled different by Dodgy Dave from the start. He doomed the whole thing to failure and now May et al are continuing his good work. Given the current position and no prospect of anyone other than the Tories running the show it's not really currently incumbent on Labour to be setting out Brexit policy as it wouldn't be worth much. The time to do it will be as we get closer to any election. However I do think they could bring about an election much sooner than 2022 if they came out and said they were committed to single market membership in line with 85% of their membership. This would make significant government defeats on Brexit legislation by October almost certain and likely lead to another election. Add to this a likely recession and the fact that the UK is lagging way behind the rest of the OECD and that's a recipe for changing the course of Brexit and getting rid of the Tories. They have no coherent policy.They have set out 12 different plans and Corbyn cannot even align with himself. Anyway we are polarised on this matter and the debate is veering away from the current issues of UKIP.We will have to agree to disagree. At lease we have argued our corner free from immature and petty personal slurs.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jan 18 11.00am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I didn't say it would necessarily be any better simply by changing government.

The whole process should have been handled different by Dodgy Dave from the start. He doomed the whole thing to failure and now May et al are continuing his good work.

Given the current position and no prospect of anyone other than the Tories running the show it's not really currently incumbent on Labour to be setting out Brexit policy as it wouldn't be worth much. The time to do it will be as we get closer to any election. However I do think they could bring about an election much sooner than 2022 if they came out and said they were committed to single market membership in line with 85% of their membership. This would make significant government defeats on Brexit legislation by October almost certain and likely lead to another election. Add to this a likely recession and the fact that the UK is lagging way behind the rest of the OECD and that's a recipe for changing the course of Brexit and getting rid of the Tories.

They have no coherent policy.They have set out 12 different plans and Corbyn cannot even align with himself.

Anyway we are polarised on this matter and the debate is veering away from the current issues of UKIP.We will have to agree to disagree. At lease we have argued our corner free from immature and petty personal slurs.

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 23 Jan 18 11.11am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It is amusing that some on the left still attack Ukip. As said, they aren't relevant anymore. They succeeded....they won. They will only come back if the remainers succeed in inverting democracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2018 5.03pm) Why some on the left or you are just using it as a reason to attack the left. Again. Most publicly attaching Ukip at the moment are Ukip, or former Ukip, themselves. If Ukip come back it wont be remainers inverting democracy. Ukip will only come back if people who voted exit are unhappy with what the Tory Brexiters put in charge of negotiations have come back with. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 23 Jan 18 11.11am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It is amusing that some on the left still attack Ukip.

As said, they aren't relevant anymore. They succeeded....they won.

They will only come back if the remainers succeed in inverting democracy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2018 5.03pm)

Why some on the left or you are just using it as a reason to attack the left. Again. Most publicly attaching Ukip at the moment are Ukip, or former Ukip, themselves.

If Ukip come back it wont be remainers inverting democracy. Ukip will only come back if people who voted exit are unhappy with what the Tory Brexiters put in charge of negotiations have come back with.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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matt_himself Matataland 23 Jan 18 11.16am
Originally posted by Willo They have no coherent policy.They have set out 12 different plans and Corbyn cannot even align with himself. Anyway we are polarised on this matter and the debate is veering away from the current issues of UKIP.We will have to agree to disagree. At lease we have argued our corner free from immature and petty personal slurs. Corbyn won’t support remaining in the EU because he knows that his nationalisation project would be illegal under EU law. Plus, he has been an advocate of Brexit since the 1970’s, so suddenly becoming a Remainer would be hypocritical. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 23 Jan 18 11.16am

Originally posted by Willo

They have no coherent policy.They have set out 12 different plans and Corbyn cannot even align with himself.

Corbyn won’t support remaining in the EU because he knows that his nationalisation project would be illegal under EU law.

Plus, he has been an advocate of Brexit since the 1970’s, so suddenly becoming a Remainer would be hypocritical.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Lyons550 Shirley 23 Jan 18 11.51am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It is amusing that some on the left still attack Ukip. As said, they aren't relevant anymore. They succeeded....they won. They will only come back if the remainers succeed in inverting democracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2018 5.03pm) I fear if that happened, UKIP will get into power! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 23 Jan 18 11.51am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It is amusing that some on the left still attack Ukip.

As said, they aren't relevant anymore. They succeeded....they won.

They will only come back if the remainers succeed in inverting democracy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2018 5.03pm)

I fear if that happened, UKIP will get into power!

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DanH SW2 23 Jan 18 11.54am
Originally posted by matt_himself Corbyn won’t support remaining in the EU because he knows that his nationalisation project would be illegal under EU law. Plus, he has been an advocate of Brexit since the 1970’s, so suddenly becoming a Remainer would be hypocritical. So you're saying you're a big fan of the boy Corbz for sticking to his guns?
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SW2 23 Jan 18 11.54am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Corbyn won’t support remaining in the EU because he knows that his nationalisation project would be illegal under EU law.

Plus, he has been an advocate of Brexit since the 1970’s, so suddenly becoming a Remainer would be hypocritical.

So you're saying you're a big fan of the boy Corbz for sticking to his guns?

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Lyons550 Shirley 23 Jan 18 11.56am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I didn't say it would necessarily be any better simply by changing government. The whole process should have been handled different by Dodgy Dave from the start. He doomed the whole thing to failure and now May et al are continuing his good work. Given the current position and no prospect of anyone other than the Tories running the show it's not really currently incumbent on Labour to be setting out Brexit policy as it wouldn't be worth much. The time to do it will be as we get closer to any election. However I do think they could bring about an election much sooner than 2022 if they came out and said they were committed to single market membership in line with 85% of their membership. This would make significant government defeats on Brexit legislation by October almost certain and likely lead to another election. Add to this a likely recession and the fact that the UK is lagging way behind the rest of the OECD and that's a recipe for changing the course of Brexit and getting rid of the Tories. Wow...you've definitely changed your tune...6months ago it was impending doom, catastrophe and plenty of other hyperbolic statements...lol The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 23 Jan 18 11.56am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I didn't say it would necessarily be any better simply by changing government.

The whole process should have been handled different by Dodgy Dave from the start. He doomed the whole thing to failure and now May et al are continuing his good work.

Given the current position and no prospect of anyone other than the Tories running the show it's not really currently incumbent on Labour to be setting out Brexit policy as it wouldn't be worth much. The time to do it will be as we get closer to any election. However I do think they could bring about an election much sooner than 2022 if they came out and said they were committed to single market membership in line with 85% of their membership. This would make significant government defeats on Brexit legislation by October almost certain and likely lead to another election. Add to this a likely recession and the fact that the UK is lagging way behind the rest of the OECD and that's a recipe for changing the course of Brexit and getting rid of the Tories.

Wow...you've definitely changed your tune...6months ago it was impending doom, catastrophe and plenty of other hyperbolic statements...lol

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Jan 18 12.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your last sentence sums up your agenda. You are a socialist Remainer. Everything you say should be read with that in mind. There is no advantage to allowing another set of people to come into an ongoing situation with no personal experience of what has gone before, especially when those people have already demonstrated that they are not very competent or intellegent. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jan 2018 10.56am) Britain is about more than Brexit. There are vitally important domestic and economic issues irrespective of Brexit which require a different government. The current one is an utter shambles and wedded to zombie economics and damaging social policy.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your last sentence sums up your agenda. You are a socialist Remainer. Everything you say should be read with that in mind.
There is no advantage to allowing another set of people to come into an ongoing situation with no personal experience of what has gone before, especially when those people have already demonstrated that they are not very competent or intellegent.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jan 2018 10.56am)

Britain is about more than Brexit. There are vitally important domestic and economic issues irrespective of Brexit which require a different government. The current one is an utter shambles and wedded to zombie economics and damaging social policy.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Jan 18 12.08pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Wow...you've definitely changed your tune...6months ago it was impending doom, catastrophe and plenty of other hyperbolic statements...lol Please remind me of one of these hyperbolic statements. I think you have me confused with someone else. I have not changed my opinion of this government. It has become lower if anything.
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Sydenham 23 Jan 18 12.08pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Wow...you've definitely changed your tune...6months ago it was impending doom, catastrophe and plenty of other hyperbolic statements...lol

Please remind me of one of these hyperbolic statements. I think you have me confused with someone else.

I have not changed my opinion of this government. It has become lower if anything.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 18 12.14pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Britain is about more than Brexit. There are vitally important domestic and economic issues irrespective of Brexit which require a different government. The current one is an utter shambles and wedded to zombie economics and damaging social policy. Swapping one government for another regardless of their quality makes no sense. Be careful what you wish for.
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23 Jan 18 12.14pm

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Britain is about more than Brexit. There are vitally important domestic and economic issues irrespective of Brexit which require a different government. The current one is an utter shambles and wedded to zombie economics and damaging social policy.

Swapping one government for another regardless of their quality makes no sense. Be careful what you wish for.

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Stirlingsays 23 Jan 18 12.56pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Britain is about more than Brexit. There are vitally important domestic and economic issues irrespective of Brexit which require a different government. The current one is an utter shambles and wedded to zombie economics and damaging social policy. There you go, a hyperbolic statement. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jan 18 12.56pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Britain is about more than Brexit. There are vitally important domestic and economic issues irrespective of Brexit which require a different government. The current one is an utter shambles and wedded to zombie economics and damaging social policy.

There you go, a hyperbolic statement.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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matt_himself Matataland 23 Jan 18 1.05pm
Originally posted by DanH So you're saying you're a big fan of the boy Corbz for sticking to his guns? No. I am saying that if he changed tack now, after so many years of espousing Brexit, you would have to question his integrity. I have respect for Corbyn but I am no fan. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 23 Jan 18 1.05pm

Originally posted by DanH

So you're saying you're a big fan of the boy Corbz for sticking to his guns?

No. I am saying that if he changed tack now, after so many years of espousing Brexit, you would have to question his integrity.

I have respect for Corbyn but I am no fan.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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DanH SW2 23 Jan 18 1.07pm
Originally posted by matt_himself No. I am saying that if he changed tack now, after so many years of espousing Brexit, you would have to question his integrity. I have respect for Corbyn but I am no fan. Spoken like a true fanboy.
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DanH

SW2 23 Jan 18 1.07pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

No. I am saying that if he changed tack now, after so many years of espousing Brexit, you would have to question his integrity.

I have respect for Corbyn but I am no fan.

Spoken like a true fanboy.

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