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MonsterMunch Cambridge 17 Jan 18 10.32am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild The key thing as well is that between now and the end of the month we only have two games, which given our stronger position (compared to a couple of weeks ago) means we have a bit more breathing space with which to bargain. For example, paying an extra £5m to get a deal done today rather than in two weeks becomes less attractive on that basis. From what the managers and chairmen of most clubs say, it would seem the agents have perhaps the biggest role in why these things take so long, plus the better players will most likely genuinely hold out for the best offer (and why not?) as they are perhaps under less pressure than the clubs. Plus the media and social media have created this impatient culture that expects instant results. Finally, we're not Newcastle. Edited by taylors lovechild (17 Jan 2018 7.57am) I think this is a valid point. Roy has given them this extra breathing space that none of us anticipated. I remember us all saying as long as we are within touching distance when the window comes around that we can hit the transfer market. However in reality 5 points is nothing and could be turned on its head in the next two games. I would have liked us to make a statement in this window taking into consideration the cock up of the last one. But we can thank Roy I suppose for buying us some time if it culminates in us getting the "right deals done" to use a Parish phrase.
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Cambridge 17 Jan 18 10.32am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The key thing as well is that between now and the end of the month we only have two games, which given our stronger position (compared to a couple of weeks ago) means we have a bit more breathing space with which to bargain. For example, paying an extra £5m to get a deal done today rather than in two weeks becomes less attractive on that basis.
From what the managers and chairmen of most clubs say, it would seem the agents have perhaps the biggest role in why these things take so long, plus the better players will most likely genuinely hold out for the best offer (and why not?) as they are perhaps under less pressure than the clubs. Plus the media and social media have created this impatient culture that expects instant results.

Finally, we're not Newcastle.

Edited by taylors lovechild (17 Jan 2018 7.57am)

I think this is a valid point. Roy has given them this extra breathing space that none of us anticipated. I remember us all saying as long as we are within touching distance when the window comes around that we can hit the transfer market. However in reality 5 points is nothing and could be turned on its head in the next two games. I would have liked us to make a statement in this window taking into consideration the cock up of the last one. But we can thank Roy I suppose for buying us some time if it culminates in us getting the "right deals done" to use a Parish phrase.

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TheArmaniCode 17 Jan 18 10.49am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch The key thing as well is that between now and the end of the month we only have two games, which given our stronger position (compared to a couple of weeks ago) means we have a bit more breathing space with which to bargain. For example, paying an extra £5m to get a deal done today rather than in two weeks becomes less attractive on that basis. From what the managers and chairmen of most clubs say, it would seem the agents have perhaps the biggest role in why these things take so long, plus the better players will most likely genuinely hold out for the best offer (and why not?) as they are perhaps under less pressure than the clubs. Plus the media and social media have created this impatient culture that expects instant results. Finally, we're not Newcastle. I can see where you're coming from, but I disagree. Not only have we got a VERY injury prone squad, but we've got a lot of players who's contracts are up at the end of the season. We need new players more than ever, and if we keep haggling over a few million or leave it too late, we are going to miss out on quality players to close rivals - as we've seen time and time again. Not to mention, any position we fill now is one less we have to do in the summer. Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am)
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17 Jan 18 10.49am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Finally, we're not Newcastle.

I can see where you're coming from, but I disagree. Not only have we got a VERY injury prone squad, but we've got a lot of players who's contracts are up at the end of the season. We need new players more than ever, and if we keep haggling over a few million or leave it too late, we are going to miss out on quality players to close rivals - as we've seen time and time again.

Not to mention, any position we fill now is one less we have to do in the summer.

Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am)

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TheArmaniCode 17 Jan 18 10.53am
Originally posted by Turd Alert Which mistake every year would that be? Missing out on transfer targets due to either leaving it too late or refusing to pay a few extra million. Starting every season unprepared and in a relegation battle. Going through ten managers in his eight years in charge, seven of whom were during our five years in the Premier League. I could go on. Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am)
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17 Jan 18 10.53am

Originally posted by Turd Alert

Which mistake every year would that be?

Missing out on transfer targets due to either leaving it too late or refusing to pay a few extra million. Starting every season unprepared and in a relegation battle. Going through ten managers in his eight years in charge, seven of whom were during our five years in the Premier League.

I could go on.

Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jan 18 10.56am
Originally posted by TheArmaniCode OK. He went on about how "you can't expect me as a chairman to not make mistakes. No mate, we're not expecting you not to make mistakes. It happens. We're mad because you make the same mistakes every year. Maybe if you spent as much time trying to fix them as you do making excuses we might actually have that stability we're all moaning about I think Parish does spend quite a bit of time fixing the problems as he does making excuses/ giving his reasons for them. The issue for me is they can get repeated. But now we have a highly respected manager again and a good judge of talent, well hopefully at this higher level than he's worked in before. If you think, we've had good windows with highly respected managers (Pulis and Sam) who Parish also must highly respect, and here we are again. I don't include Pardew in that because the final window was on the back of a dire league run and them both being in each other's arms too much. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jan 18 10.56am

Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

OK. He went on about how "you can't expect me as a chairman to not make mistakes.

No mate, we're not expecting you not to make mistakes. It happens. We're mad because you make the same mistakes every year. Maybe if you spent as much time trying to fix them as you do making excuses we might actually have that stability we're all moaning about

I think Parish does spend quite a bit of time fixing the problems as he does making excuses/ giving his reasons for them. The issue for me is they can get repeated. But now we have a highly respected manager again and a good judge of talent, well hopefully at this higher level than he's worked in before. If you think, we've had good windows with highly respected managers (Pulis and Sam) who Parish also must highly respect, and here we are again. I don't include Pardew in that because the final window was on the back of a dire league run and them both being in each other's arms too much.

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Lombardos barber 17 Jan 18 10.58am
Originally posted by TheArmaniCode Missing out on transfer targets due to either leaving it too late or refusing to pay a few extra million. Starting every season unprepared and in a relegation battle. Going through ten managers in his eight years in charge, seven of whom were during our five years in the Premier League. I could go on. Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am) The things is though... its worked hasn't it? By luck or design or a bit of both we have achieved Premier League finishes higher than the size of our club suggests we should, and have been to an FA Cup Final. We have kept hold of one of the best players in the League in Zaha and are on the cusp of a major bit of stadium redevelopment. And are likely to have a 6th straight season in the Premier League.
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Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

I could go on.

Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am)

The things is though... its worked hasn't it?

By luck or design or a bit of both we have achieved Premier League finishes higher than the size of our club suggests we should, and have been to an FA Cup Final. We have kept hold of one of the best players in the League in Zaha and are on the cusp of a major bit of stadium redevelopment. And are likely to have a 6th straight season in the Premier League.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 17 Jan 18 11.01am
Originally posted by TheArmaniCode Missing out on transfer targets due to either leaving it too late or refusing to pay a few extra million. Starting every season unprepared and in a relegation battle. Going through ten managers in his eight years in charge, seven of whom were during our five years in the Premier League. I could go on. Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am) and how are we different in that regard to any of the clubs in the bottom 10 revenue-wise in the Prem? That's just the reality of football.
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Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

I could go on.

Edited by TheArmaniCode (17 Jan 2018 10.54am)

and how are we different in that regard to any of the clubs in the bottom 10 revenue-wise in the Prem? That's just the reality of football.

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TheArmaniCode 17 Jan 18 11.04am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I think Parish does spend quite a bit of time fixing the problems as he does making excuses/ giving his reasons for them. The issue for me is they can get repeated. But now we have a highly respected manager again and a good judge of talent, well hopefully at this higher level than he's worked in before. If you think, we've had good windows with highly respected managers (Pulis and Sam) who Parish also must highly respect, and here we are again. I don't include Pardew in that because the final window was on the back of a dire league run and them both being in each other's arms too much. Yes, we do have a quality manager again, that's for sure. But for how much longer? What if he walks at the end of the season because he thinks the chairman's lost his way? Call me a pessimist all you want, but we've had the same thing happen twice already - both with what many dub the safest managers in the league. You'll forgive me for being worried we might repeat that mistake too. You're right. If Parish really trusts Roy, he needs to show it. Give him the budget and tell him if he wants to blow the whole load on strikers, he lives or dies by it. That's how the best chairman-manager partnerships are born.
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TheArmaniCode

17 Jan 18 11.04am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes, we do have a quality manager again, that's for sure. But for how much longer? What if he walks at the end of the season because he thinks the chairman's lost his way? Call me a pessimist all you want, but we've had the same thing happen twice already - both with what many dub the safest managers in the league. You'll forgive me for being worried we might repeat that mistake too.

You're right. If Parish really trusts Roy, he needs to show it. Give him the budget and tell him if he wants to blow the whole load on strikers, he lives or dies by it. That's how the best chairman-manager partnerships are born.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 17 Jan 18 11.05am
Parish made a good point in the pod that Palace are at a disadvantage to lots of Prem clubs we're competing against as we're one of the few who arrived in the Prem without the benefit of having already sorted the stadium/training ground etc. We've been having to use funds to sort those things out and we're one of the lower earning clubs due to significantly lower match day revenue. If you look at the bottom half of the Premier League it's noticeable that many have 30,000+ new grounds. That hampers our ability to spend as much as them on players.
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Sydenham 17 Jan 18 11.05am

Parish made a good point in the pod that Palace are at a disadvantage to lots of Prem clubs we're competing against as we're one of the few who arrived in the Prem without the benefit of having already sorted the stadium/training ground etc. We've been having to use funds to sort those things out and we're one of the lower earning clubs due to significantly lower match day revenue.

If you look at the bottom half of the Premier League it's noticeable that many have 30,000+ new grounds.

That hampers our ability to spend as much as them on players.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jan 18 11.17am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Parish made a good point in the pod that Palace are at a disadvantage to lots of Prem clubs we're competing against as we're one of the few who arrived in the Prem without the benefit of having already sorted the stadium/training ground etc. We've been having to use funds to sort those things out and we're one of the lower earning clubs due to significantly lower match day revenue. If you look at the bottom half of the Premier League it's noticeable that many have 30,000+ new grounds. That hampers our ability to spend as much as them on players. I agree our matchday revenue isn't competitive enough because of the poor main stand but I don't see how we're 'using funds to sort it out' seeing as the yank's money is ringfenced for redevelopments. I remember seeing our sponsorship revenue is very high (as long as Manbet don't go bust) and Parish must be applauded for these type of deals and business. It's some of the football ones that leave you wondering. But hopefully that's to change permanently, although it may depend on the manager and Armani's concern if Roy walking in the summer is a valid one, although I'm not going to criticise on that unless it happens, and you can bet there'll be plenty of others. COYP
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Caterham 17 Jan 18 11.17am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

If you look at the bottom half of the Premier League it's noticeable that many have 30,000+ new grounds.

That hampers our ability to spend as much as them on players.

I agree our matchday revenue isn't competitive enough because of the poor main stand but I don't see how we're 'using funds to sort it out' seeing as the yank's money is ringfenced for redevelopments.

I remember seeing our sponsorship revenue is very high (as long as Manbet don't go bust) and Parish must be applauded for these type of deals and business. It's some of the football ones that leave you wondering. But hopefully that's to change permanently, although it may depend on the manager and Armani's concern if Roy walking in the summer is a valid one, although I'm not going to criticise on that unless it happens, and you can bet there'll be plenty of others.

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TheArmaniCode 17 Jan 18 12.06pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle and how are we different in that regard to any of the clubs in the bottom 10 revenue-wise in the Prem? That's just the reality of football. Because we're the only ones consistently in the bottom six year in year out because we make these mistakes. The only other club that comes to mind is Swansea - and look at what's happening to them
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17 Jan 18 12.06pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

and how are we different in that regard to any of the clubs in the bottom 10 revenue-wise in the Prem? That's just the reality of football.

Because we're the only ones consistently in the bottom six year in year out because we make these mistakes. The only other club that comes to mind is Swansea - and look at what's happening to them

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NickinOX Sailing country. 17 Jan 18 12.43pm
Originally posted by TheArmaniCode Because we're the only ones consistently in the bottom six year in year out because we make these mistakes. The only other club that comes to mind is Swansea - and look at what's happening to them That's simply not true. I checked the facts. 2013/14 we were 14th over 23 games (final position 11) 2014/15 we were 13th over 23 games (final position 10) 2015/16 we were 11th over 23 games (final position 15) 2016/17 we were 18th over 23 games (final position 14) And currently we are 12th. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 17 Jan 18 12.43pm

Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

Because we're the only ones consistently in the bottom six year in year out because we make these mistakes. The only other club that comes to mind is Swansea - and look at what's happening to them

That's simply not true. I checked the facts.

2013/14 we were 14th over 23 games (final position 11)
2014/15 we were 13th over 23 games (final position 10)
2015/16 we were 11th over 23 games (final position 15)
2016/17 we were 18th over 23 games (final position 14)

And currently we are 12th.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 17 Jan 18 12.50pm
Originally posted by TheArmaniCode Because we're the only ones consistently in the bottom six year in year out because we make these mistakes. The only other club that comes to mind is Swansea - and look at what's happening to them We've finished 11/10/15/14 so only just in bottom 6 last 2 seasons. Bournemouth, Watford, Swansea, Burnley have all finished in bottom 6 over last couple of seasons. Add to that Stoke, West Brom and Southampton who are all having much worse seasons that the past couple (footballing decision making mistakes very much at heart of their problems). Not forgetting Newcastle who are a bit of a basket case. Then there's Brighton and Huddersfield and Palace, and you've got 11 clubs, all of whom are in similar situations in terms of the football side of the club. Saying us and Swansea are the only side consistently near the bottom, or in peril of relegation "year on year" is clearly ignoring reality. Any of the 11 clubs I've mentioned could go down this season and those that don't will be in danger in most seasons.
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Sydenham 17 Jan 18 12.50pm

Originally posted by TheArmaniCode

Because we're the only ones consistently in the bottom six year in year out because we make these mistakes. The only other club that comes to mind is Swansea - and look at what's happening to them

We've finished 11/10/15/14 so only just in bottom 6 last 2 seasons.

Bournemouth, Watford, Swansea, Burnley have all finished in bottom 6 over last couple of seasons. Add to that Stoke, West Brom and Southampton who are all having much worse seasons that the past couple (footballing decision making mistakes very much at heart of their problems). Not forgetting Newcastle who are a bit of a basket case. Then there's Brighton and Huddersfield and Palace, and you've got 11 clubs, all of whom are in similar situations in terms of the football side of the club.

Saying us and Swansea are the only side consistently near the bottom, or in peril of relegation "year on year" is clearly ignoring reality. Any of the 11 clubs I've mentioned could go down this season and those that don't will be in danger in most seasons.

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