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matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Jan 18 11.47am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Very much like religion then.

You mention 'since the 60's...' Yet from then, and for the majority of the time, the most powerful governments and most powerful media, who have affected social policy and, thus, society itself, to where we are today here and in the U.S, have been very right-wing.

Murdoch, Black, Thatcher, Reagan, Nixon, Bush and the neo-Cons, Dacre, Desmond, etc. What have the liberals to offer? Bill Clinton and John Major and maybe throw in Matthew Wright as a freebie.

The people whom your criticism should really be aimed at are the former but because they come from the same political arena you don't/can't so you blame others instead. You would make a good politician yourself.

If all governments had been ‘very right wing’ since the 60’s, why are we not in the same social situation as the 1950’s?

You know full well that there has been a liberal agenda pursued by the establishment for 50 years. Why deny it?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 18 12.12pm


Iran: The background to the protests is poverty, unemployment, rising prices and the ending of subsidies. The price of fuel has increased by 50%, and eggs and chicken by 40%. alf of Iran's 80 million inhabitants, live below the poverty line. 21 million people live in slums that lack healthcare and community services.
7 million children are child workers.
Youth unemployment amounts to 40 percent in a country where a large proportion of the inhabitants are under 30 years old.
There is also a great deal of anger that young Iranians are sent to fight and die in Iraq and Syria, while their families are starving at home.
Throughout Iran, protests, which have now grown to be the largest since the uprising in 2009, continued to be violently fought by the armed forces of the Islamic Republic. This is very different from the protests in 2009 when mainly the middle class and the youth protested, while the working class waited to see what happened. Then the fighting was perceived as a conflict between the two conflicting parts of the regime, reformists and conservatives. Today the working class plays an active role, albeit at individual level and not yet collectively.
Women are playing an important role in the protests, and more and more seem to defy the strict laws of veil, which shows that the fear of the regime gradually begins to dissipate .46% of Iran's young women aged 15-24 are unemployed, and those who have a job are worst treated by employers.
In order for the movement to progress forward, the best experiences of the 1979 Revolution must be utilized, as well as lessons learned from the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt in 2011 and the newly acquired experiences from today's struggle.
Iran is a key country in the Middle East. The working class must take the lead in the movement, not just becoming part of it. Committees should be established at workplaces and in residential areas and linked across the country.
Workers, young people and the oppressed can only trust their own strength and solidarity from workers internationally. Imperialist hypocrites may be promising"support", but Trump supports dictatorships and the EU would like to do business with the dictatorship in Iran. (approximately translated from an article by Kristofer Lundberg)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Jan 18 12.59pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Liberal equals nanny state. That is what liberals want, they want you to say and think whatever fashionable fad of the day is their paramount campaign.

I think liberal is a form of fascism. A form of social control which forces people to act and think through fear of being labelled or imprisoned for free speech.

What? Who is being imprisoned for free speech. Worst that seems to happen is people being sacked by their employers for breaching their contract. If you express views, that leave you 'labelled' then thats kind of how free speech works. Its not without consequence - If you're expressing racist views, you're going to end up being seen by others as a racist.

How is that 'fascism' thats just how all society has worked, for all time. You are labelled and treated based on the views you express. No doubt you have me labelled as a leftie. How is that any different?

Liberalism is the opposite of fascism, where in free speech doesn't exist, nor does political dissent or free discourse. But that doesn't mean that political views aren't without consequence to others. Person A is racist, then he's a racist to me, and he probably thinks I'm a liberal snowflake.

Unsurprisingly, people might lose jobs, for expressing views that contradict or damage the reputation of their employers. Just like they always have. Do you think people expressing left wing views haven't experienced the same (they did, they were blacklisted from jobs etc).

If Liberals were fascism people would disappear for saying the 'wrong thing'.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Jan 18 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

What? Who is being imprisoned for free speech. Worst that seems to happen is people being sacked by their employers for breaching their contract. If you express views, that leave you 'labelled' then thats kind of how free speech works. Its not without consequence - If you're expressing racist views, you're going to end up being seen by others as a racist.

How is that 'fascism' thats just how all society has worked, for all time. You are labelled and treated based on the views you express. No doubt you have me labelled as a leftie. How is that any different?

Liberalism is the opposite of fascism, where in free speech doesn't exist, nor does political dissent or free discourse. But that doesn't mean that political views aren't without consequence to others. Person A is racist, then he's a racist to me, and he probably thinks I'm a liberal snowflake.

Unsurprisingly, people might lose jobs, for expressing views that contradict or damage the reputation of their employers. Just like they always have. Do you think people expressing left wing views haven't experienced the same (they did, they were blacklisted from jobs etc).

If Liberals were fascism people would disappear for saying the 'wrong thing'.

If Liberals were fascism or communism people would disappear for saying the 'wrong thing'.

Or to be more accurate....extreme authoritarianism...... As there are as many versions of an ideology as there are ideologies.

While not disagreeing with your general thrust here it is also true that the definitions of what qualifies as 'wrong think' worthy of a sacking has become more narrower. You might or might not view that as acceptable and preferable but I definitely don't view it as healthy for society going forward.

Ideas must be expressed.....the marketplace of ideas decides what society should want....not overbearing elites.

The only protections should be that no group can restrict that dynamic or implement policies that restrict opposition to freedom of expression (within the law).....in other words that secularism can't be overthrown.

Religion which brainwashes its children must never be allowed to touch these principles.....outside of that....boo hiss to those looking to 'shape' society into what they think people should think or behave.

Let people vote for their current preference and let other political groups campaign against it.....a meritocracy of ideas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 1.31pm)

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 03 Jan 18 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Owen Jones being well, Owen Jones

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Jan 18 2.30pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

What? Who is being imprisoned for free speech. Worst that seems to happen is people being sacked by their employers for breaching their contract. If you express views, that leave you 'labelled' then thats kind of how free speech works. Its not without consequence - If you're expressing racist views, you're going to end up being seen by others as a racist.

How is that 'fascism' thats just how all society has worked, for all time. You are labelled and treated based on the views you express. No doubt you have me labelled as a leftie. How is that any different?

Liberalism is the opposite of fascism, where in free speech doesn't exist, nor does political dissent or free discourse. But that doesn't mean that political views aren't without consequence to others. Person A is racist, then he's a racist to me, and he probably thinks I'm a liberal snowflake.

Unsurprisingly, people might lose jobs, for expressing views that contradict or damage the reputation of their employers. Just like they always have. Do you think people expressing left wing views haven't experienced the same (they did, they were blacklisted from jobs etc).

If Liberals were fascism people would disappear for saying the 'wrong thing'.

I will give you an example of liberal fascism. Julie Bindel, hardly a neo-con, and someone whom has admirably campaigned against domestic violence her whole life, is ‘no platformed’ at universities for expressing her view about transgender people. The liberals got her silenced at universities for voicing her opinions.

There are other examples. I am not saying that I share her views.

Fascism isn’t just the extreme version you highlight above. It is also a ‘creep’, forcing people to think and act in a certain way if they dare challenge liberal orthodoxy.

 


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legaleagle Flag 03 Jan 18 3.06pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Fascism isn’t just the extreme version you highlight above. It is also a ‘creep’, forcing people to think and act in a certain way if they dare challenge liberal orthodoxy.

And what,pray,is it when the Daily Mail describes Judges simply upholding the law of the land and the sovereignty of parliament as "enemies of the people"?

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Jan 18 3.58pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

And what,pray,is it when the Daily Mail describes Judges simply upholding the law of the land and the sovereignty of parliament as "enemies of the people"?

If you are asking me to defend the Daily Mail, I won’t.

Ask them, if you want that clarified.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Jan 18 4.06pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I will give you an example of liberal fascism. Julie Bindel, hardly a neo-con, and someone whom has admirably campaigned against domestic violence her whole life, is ‘no platformed’ at universities for expressing her view about transgender people. The liberals got her silenced at universities for voicing her opinions.

There are other examples. I am not saying that I share her views.

Fascism isn’t just the extreme version you highlight above. It is also a ‘creep’, forcing people to think and act in a certain way if they dare challenge liberal orthodoxy.

Where as actual fascism they'd disappear her, probably torture her first. Universities have always been a bit like that personally I don't agree - Middle Class Guardianistas who've just discovered politics.

I'm not sure anyone here has been forced to act differently or think differently though. They're just apparently on a list of people universities (private bodies) won't invite to give lectures.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Jan 18 4.13pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I will give you an example of liberal fascism. Julie Bindel, hardly a neo-con, and someone whom has admirably campaigned against domestic violence her whole life, is ‘no platformed’ at universities for expressing her view about transgender people. The liberals got her silenced at universities for voicing her opinions.

There are other examples. I am not saying that I share her views.

Fascism isn’t just the extreme version you highlight above. It is also a ‘creep’, forcing people to think and act in a certain way if they dare challenge liberal orthodoxy.

Interestingly Julie Bindel believes that its anti-feminists that are the problem not ultra liberals. In her explaination of the ban, she was due to speak alongside Milo Yanniapolis.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Jan 18 4.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Owen Jones being well, Owen Jones

Yeah, in Owen Jones's head....they are all little versions of Owen Jones.

Labour Iran.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Jan 18 4.22pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Interestingly Julie Bindel believes that its anti-feminists that are the problem not ultra liberals. In her explaination of the ban, she was due to speak alongside Milo Yanniapolis.

The story:

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Not quite how you put it.

 


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