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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 17 11.34am
It isn't racist. It's racist to treat people differently due to the colour of their skins. I remember Lenny Henry doing white face for a movie. I wasn't offended by that.....any comments relating to slavery are just so out of date as to be risible. It's just that old 'protected class' BS from virtue signalers. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 11.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Dec 17 11.34am

It isn't racist.

It's racist to treat people differently due to the colour of their skins.

I remember Lenny Henry doing white face for a movie.

I wasn't offended by that.....any comments relating to slavery are just so out of date as to be risible.

It's just that old 'protected class' BS from virtue signalers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 11.36am)

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matt_himself Matataland 18 Dec 17 11.49am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It isn't racist. It's racist to treat people differently due to the colour of their skins. I remember Lenny Henry doing white face for a movie. I wasn't offended by that.....any comments relating to slavery are just so out of date as to be risible. It's just that old 'protected class' BS from virtue signalers. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 11.36am) I normally agree with you but on this I don’t. I agree that the people doing, generally, don’t do it in a frame of mind that is racist in intent. However, it is arguable that the origins of ‘blackface’, from minstrels and performers, was racist in intent and mocked black people. You probably don’t mind, like me, people doing ‘whiteface’ but neither you or I has been subjected to the overt racism and prejudice black people have during history and the cultural significance of people mocking them about their colour. I just think in a civilised society, if a group objects to something happening and there is good reason for that objection, then others should respect their wishes. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 18 Dec 17 11.49am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It isn't racist.

It's racist to treat people differently due to the colour of their skins.

I remember Lenny Henry doing white face for a movie.

I wasn't offended by that.....any comments relating to slavery are just so out of date as to be risible.

It's just that old 'protected class' BS from virtue signalers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 11.36am)

I normally agree with you but on this I don’t.

I agree that the people doing, generally, don’t do it in a frame of mind that is racist in intent.

However, it is arguable that the origins of ‘blackface’, from minstrels and performers, was racist in intent and mocked black people.

You probably don’t mind, like me, people doing ‘whiteface’ but neither you or I has been subjected to the overt racism and prejudice black people have during history and the cultural significance of people mocking them about their colour.

I just think in a civilised society, if a group objects to something happening and there is good reason for that objection, then others should respect their wishes.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 18 Dec 17 12.26pm
So if you want to wear fancy dress and be a black person you can't if it involves painting your face black.. How else was he ssupposed to look like diane Abbott?? Wasn't just a random black person it was an identifiable character which wouldn't have worked if his face was white would it . I also don't get offended by people in nazi costume as fancy dress events. It's a part of history When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 18 Dec 17 12.26pm

So if you want to wear fancy dress and be a black person you can't if it involves painting your face black..

How else was he ssupposed to look like diane Abbott?? Wasn't just a random black person it was an identifiable character which wouldn't have worked if his face was white would it .

I also don't get offended by people in nazi costume as fancy dress events. It's a part of history

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 17 12.33pm
Originally posted by matt_himself I normally agree with you but on this I don’t. I agree that the people doing, generally, don’t do it in a frame of mind that is racist in intent. However, it is arguable that the origins of ‘blackface’, from minstrels and performers, was racist in intent and mocked black people. You probably don’t mind, like me, people doing ‘whiteface’ but neither you or I has been subjected to the overt racism and prejudice black people have during history and the cultural significance of people mocking them about their colour. I just think in a civilised society, if a group objects to something happening and there is good reason for that objection, then others should respect their wishes. Who decides if there is good reason for an objection? What if people object to their objection? That sounds like a justification for censorship and a dangerous power to give. Offence can't be given, it can only be taken......If some people take offence...who decides that they speak for everyone?......why do I have to care? Who is deciding on this standard of 'civilised society' for me? .....what else aren't I allowed to do? find funny, or think? What's so wrong with people being mocked? It might not be nice but....call them a jerk then. Na...not for me....If some berk wants to colour their face and look like whatever that's fine by me. If some people get upset about it they need to grow a spine. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 12.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Dec 17 12.33pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I normally agree with you but on this I don’t.

I agree that the people doing, generally, don’t do it in a frame of mind that is racist in intent.

However, it is arguable that the origins of ‘blackface’, from minstrels and performers, was racist in intent and mocked black people.

I just think in a civilised society, if a group objects to something happening and there is good reason for that objection, then others should respect their wishes.

Who decides if there is good reason for an objection? What if people object to their objection?

That sounds like a justification for censorship and a dangerous power to give.

Offence can't be given, it can only be taken......If some people take offence...who decides that they speak for everyone?......why do I have to care? Who is deciding on this standard of 'civilised society' for me? .....what else aren't I allowed to do? find funny, or think? What's so wrong with people being mocked? It might not be nice but....call them a jerk then.

Na...not for me....If some berk wants to colour their face and look like whatever that's fine by me. If some people get upset about it they need to grow a spine.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 12.49pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 17 12.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Who decides if there is good reason for an objection? What if people object to their objection? That sounds like a justification for censorship and a dangerous power to give. Offence can't be given, it can only be taken......If some people take offence...who decides that they speak for everyone?......why do I have to care? Who is deciding on this standard of 'cvilised society' for me? .....what else aren't I allowed to do? find funny, or think? What's so wrong with people being mocked? It might not be nice but....call them a jerk then. Na...not for me....If some berk wants to colour their face and look like whatever that's fine by me. If some people get upset about it they need to grow a spine. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 12.34pm) Sterling I totally agree with the general sentiments that you have raised.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 17 12.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Who decides if there is good reason for an objection? What if people object to their objection?

That sounds like a justification for censorship and a dangerous power to give.

Offence can't be given, it can only be taken......If some people take offence...who decides that they speak for everyone?......why do I have to care? Who is deciding on this standard of 'cvilised society' for me? .....what else aren't I allowed to do? find funny, or think? What's so wrong with people being mocked? It might not be nice but....call them a jerk then.

Na...not for me....If some berk wants to colour their face and look like whatever that's fine by me. If some people get upset about it they need to grow a spine.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2017 12.34pm)

Sterling

I totally agree with the general sentiments that you have raised.

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Beanyboysmd 18 Dec 17 12.47pm
In this kind of situation you have to apply the passback rule, yes there was a time where you could do it and you might consider the days that you could 'the good old days'. But like it or not it is not acceptable now, not anywhere so be pissed off about it but do not be pissed off when you go in the book for it because you know full well the world has agreed that you cant do it and its not like you havnt been given a lot of notice on the matter... We have all agreed it is wrong so dont be arrogent and assume its fine for you to do it just because you think there is nothing wrong with it is what im trying to say...
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18 Dec 17 12.47pm

In this kind of situation you have to apply the passback rule, yes there was a time where you could do it and you might consider the days that you could 'the good old days'. But like it or not it is not acceptable now, not anywhere so be pissed off about it but do not be pissed off when you go in the book for it because you know full well the world has agreed that you cant do it and its not like you havnt been given a lot of notice on the matter...

We have all agreed it is wrong so dont be arrogent and assume its fine for you to do it just because you think there is nothing wrong with it is what im trying to say...

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Stuk Top half 18 Dec 17 1.05pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 So if you want to wear fancy dress and be a black person you can't if it involves painting your face black.. How else was he ssupposed to look like diane Abbott?? Wasn't just a random black person it was an identifiable character which wouldn't have worked if his face was white would it . I also don't get offended by people in nazi costume as fancy dress events. It's a part of history Pretty much, as Antoine Griezmann also found out. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 18 Dec 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

So if you want to wear fancy dress and be a black person you can't if it involves painting your face black..

How else was he ssupposed to look like diane Abbott?? Wasn't just a random black person it was an identifiable character which wouldn't have worked if his face was white would it .

I also don't get offended by people in nazi costume as fancy dress events. It's a part of history

Pretty much, as Antoine Griezmann also found out.

Optimistic as ever

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 17 1.09pm
Originally posted by Beanyboysmd In this kind of situation you have to apply the passback rule, yes there was a time where you could do it and you might consider the days that you could 'the good old days'. But like it or not it is not acceptable now, not anywhere so be pissed off about it but do not be pissed off when you go in the book for it because you know full well the world has agreed that you cant do it and its not like you havnt been given a lot of notice on the matter... We have all agreed it is wrong so dont be arrogent and assume its fine for you to do it just because you think there is nothing wrong with it is what im trying to say... Who's being arrogant ? I believe it is generally accepted that certain behaviours or terminology from yesteryear is not accepted in this modern society. What many find objectionable is the constant 'PC Creep' of the cacophanous PC Brigade who forever are extending the parameters of what they deem "Racist" much of which is deemed totally ridiculous. It is fast reaching the stage that in time we will have a dictum on high from the PC Brigade to say we cannot say that we have an aversion to "Irish stew" or "French fries". I have friends of all hues, I don't judge people by their colour, just their character, and some of my black friends agree with my sentiments. Edited by Willo (18 Dec 2017 1.19pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 17 1.09pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

We have all agreed it is wrong so dont be arrogent and assume its fine for you to do it just because you think there is nothing wrong with it is what im trying to say...

Who's being arrogant ?
I believe it is generally accepted that certain behaviours or terminology from yesteryear is not accepted in this modern society.

What many find objectionable is the constant 'PC Creep' of the cacophanous PC Brigade who forever are extending the parameters of what they deem "Racist" much of which is deemed totally ridiculous.

It is fast reaching the stage that in time we will have a dictum on high from the PC Brigade to say we cannot say that we have an aversion to "Irish stew" or "French fries".

I have friends of all hues, I don't judge people by their colour, just their character, and some of my black friends agree with my sentiments.

Edited by Willo (18 Dec 2017 1.19pm)

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 17 1.24pm
Originally posted by Beanyboysmd In this kind of situation you have to apply the passback rule, yes there was a time where you could do it and you might consider the days that you could 'the good old days'. But like it or not it is not acceptable now, not anywhere so be pissed off about it but do not be pissed off when you go in the book for it because you know full well the world has agreed that you cant do it and its not like you havnt been given a lot of notice on the matter... We have all agreed it is wrong so dont be arrogent and assume its fine for you to do it just because you think there is nothing wrong with it is what im trying to say... I'm guessing you never read '1984'.....probably think Orwell is a place in Essex. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Dec 17 1.24pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

We have all agreed it is wrong so dont be arrogent and assume its fine for you to do it just because you think there is nothing wrong with it is what im trying to say...

I'm guessing you never read '1984'.....probably think Orwell is a place in Essex.

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martin2412 Living The Dream 18 Dec 17 1.34pm
Yet another case of 'Please can I be a victim' Pathetic.
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Living The Dream 18 Dec 17 1.34pm

Yet another case of 'Please can I be a victim'

Pathetic.

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DanH SW2 18 Dec 17 1.51pm
Originally posted by matt_himself I normally agree with you but on this I don’t. I agree that the people doing, generally, don’t do it in a frame of mind that is racist in intent. However, it is arguable that the origins of ‘blackface’, from minstrels and performers, was racist in intent and mocked black people. You probably don’t mind, like me, people doing ‘whiteface’ but neither you or I has been subjected to the overt racism and prejudice black people have during history and the cultural significance of people mocking them about their colour. I just think in a civilised society, if a group objects to something happening and there is good reason for that objection, then others should respect their wishes. Pretty much the only sensible post on this thread. Well said, Matt.
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DanH

SW2 18 Dec 17 1.51pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I normally agree with you but on this I don’t.

I agree that the people doing, generally, don’t do it in a frame of mind that is racist in intent.

However, it is arguable that the origins of ‘blackface’, from minstrels and performers, was racist in intent and mocked black people.

I just think in a civilised society, if a group objects to something happening and there is good reason for that objection, then others should respect their wishes.

Pretty much the only sensible post on this thread. Well said, Matt.

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 17 1.53pm
Originally posted by DanH Pretty much the only sensible post on this thread. Well said, Matt. I'm very sure Matt is very happy to get your endorsement. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Dec 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by DanH

Pretty much the only sensible post on this thread. Well said, Matt.

I'm very sure Matt is very happy to get your endorsement.

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