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 Elpis  In a pub 03 Dec 17 7.24pm |
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The ref just got it wrong , an indirect free kick was the correct decision but when was the last time anyone saw an indirect free kick given ? (I think I may have asked that before ) Maybe we will get lucky next week
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| The Dolphin 03 Dec 17 10.07pm |
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Chris Kamara said penalty and i stand corrected from my post earlier.
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chateauferret  03 Dec 17 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Chris Kamara said penalty and i stand corrected from my post earlier. Excellent gamesmanship by the keeper then. Get away with an illegal handling by giving the ref a penalty shout to think about instead, and make sure the penalty isn't given by making sure it's Wilf.
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Dec 17 3.47pm |
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Good to see MOTD couldn,t even be bothered to discuss it.
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| Stuk Top half 04 Dec 17 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by berlinpalace
What should've given the ref a clue was the lengths Foster was going to to not put a hand on the ball before deciding that the risk of Wilf scoring was too great. Agreed. A bit like the Enckelman own goal v Birmingham. He could've let it go in the goal from the throw in and it wouldn't have counted, but as he'd tried to play the ball and then frantically tried to stop it going in after messing it up, whether he'd actually touched the ball or not was irrelevant by then as his actions/panic made it look like he certainly had.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 04 Dec 17 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Good to see MOTD couldn,t even be bothered to discuss it.
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Littlebogreek  04 Dec 17 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
To be fair the match was poor with no goals and deserved to be last. Not even discussing the incident was shocking though
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Ray in Houston  Houston 04 Dec 17 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
They were out of time, suprised they even showed the match, you know how much they love putting us on......last......again. To be fair, a 0-0 draw between 4th from bottom vs. 3rd from bottom - with the only real talking point being the non-award of an indirect free kick (although I still think it was a penalty) - hardly deserves top billing.
We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football. |
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MikeCrete  Crete 04 Dec 17 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret palace twitter feed shows a picture which has Fosters hand in front of Wilfs foot, from behind!
I thought it was a pen Saturday & asked my wife; who was watching a live feed in Crete; she said the commentators said the goalie was very lucky a pen was not given. Would need a proper ref ruling on once the goalie tries to dribble it is the back pass no longer an issue; but don’t want Willo to take over the thread. Zaha went crazy at the ref because he thought he should have had a penalty. He may well have been right. I suppose the ref was probably more interested in that than the handling issue or as you say had forgotten that there had been a back pass as it was sonetime earlier. Easy for him to miss and not something he'd be looming out for, like a trip or a shove. And if he isn't sure he won't give it. He might also have thought Wilf touched the ball. If it were a penalty and not an IFK for handling I'd be a lot more animated about it. But then it would fall under the gaze of a VAR, when and if we get those, and refs would be better primed to spot it. Seems a bit silly to me that a keeper can't hadle when an opponent is interfering with play, though, given that the spirit is to prevent timewasting. It's not as if timewasting itself isn't a bookable offence. As for the refs they have been so poor lately and they have been getting wrong much, much easier decisions than this on a regular basis.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 04 Dec 17 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by MikeCrete
Seems a bit silly to me that a keeper can't handle when an opponent is interfering with play, though, given that the spirit is to prevent timewasting. It's not as if timewasting itself isn't a bookable offence. I have seen this wrinkle in the thread - that a keeper can handle a backpass if threatened by an opponent - and I'm completely confused by the sentiment. It's just not in the rules or in the referees guidelines. In fact, keepers only handle backpasses when under pressure from an opposing player, so having this be a "Get Out of Jail Free" card makes no sense. Forster was not allowed to handle that ball as it was deliberately kicked back to him by a team mate and had not been touched by any other player in the meantime. It ticked all the boxes for a deliberate handball which, as many have said in this thread, is an indirect freekick and yellow card. It's so clear that Forster chose to take the IFK and card rather than let Zaha whip in for an easy goal. In fact, in his enthusiasm to get his hands on the ball, he got his arms tangled up in Zaha's legs, which is why I think it was penalty. "Play on", which is what was given, was the only thing it wasn't.
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| MikeCrete Crete 04 Dec 17 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I have seen this wrinkle in the thread - that a keeper can handle a backpass if threatened by an opponent - and I'm completely confused by the sentiment. It's just not in the rules or in the referees guidelines. In fact, keepers only handle backpasses when under pressure from an opposing player, so having this be a "Get Out of Jail Free" card makes no sense. Forster was not allowed to handle that ball as it was deliberately kicked back to him by a team mate and had not been touched by any other player in the meantime. It ticked all the boxes for a deliberate handball which, as many have said in this thread, is an indirect freekick and yellow card. It's so clear that Forster chose to take the IFK and card rather than let Zaha whip in for an easy goal. In fact, in his enthusiasm to get his hands on the ball, he got his arms tangled up in Zaha's legs, which is why I think it was penalty. "Play on", which is what was given, was the only thing it wasn't. Actually Ray, that’s not mine, is in the post I was replying to, only just sussed how to put a reply in so it’s mine, not included at the top of the post I want to reply to. Pen all day long for me.
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boo909  Figeac 04 Dec 17 8.04pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I have seen this wrinkle in the thread - that a keeper can handle a backpass if threatened by an opponent - and I'm completely confused by the sentiment. It's just not in the rules or in the referees guidelines. In fact, keepers only handle backpasses when under pressure from an opposing player, so having this be a "Get Out of Jail Free" card makes no sense. Forster was not allowed to handle that ball as it was deliberately kicked back to him by a team mate and had not been touched by any other player in the meantime. It ticked all the boxes for a deliberate handball which, as many have said in this thread, is an indirect freekick and yellow card. It's so clear that Forster chose to take the IFK and card rather than let Zaha whip in for an easy goal. In fact, in his enthusiasm to get his hands on the ball, he got his arms tangled up in Zaha's legs, which is why I think it was penalty. "Play on", which is what was given, was the only thing it wasn't. I disagreed with you in the match thread and said I'd have to see it again. After having actually seen it again I have to agree with you, unsurprisingly. Though I'm still not sure it was a pen, it was a definite indirect free kick. Edited by boo909 (04 Dec 2017 8.05pm)
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