Really? Explain.

I question you know of Hitler's writings, I bet you haven't read any.

Without the USSR is it questionable that you would have seen Hitler.....They were by no means the only input....The 'stab in the back' Jewish myth for losing WW1 and the economic disaster for Germany after WW1....But the other input was communist uprisings coming from the Russian revolution.

If you took away the Bolsheviks, you took away fifty percent of what made Hitler.....well perhaps the percentage can be argued about for higher or lower but the denial of the influence is a denial of reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 8.31am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Russia would have industrialised anyway under a democratic government. The Germans would not have made such inroads into Russia if Stalin had not purged the army of its best officers. Because of his disgraceful pact with Hitler, he was also slow in reacting when the Germans invaded. Initially, some areas of Western Russia treated the German invasion as a liberation from the communist heel (wrong of course - just a new heel coming in). Stalin's direction of the war was disastrous and they only started reversing things when he began listening and accepting his generals' advice rather than killing them. The real turning point in World War II was the USA entering it.

Edited by hedgehog50 (10 Nov 2017 9.13am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

So...Tristan De Cunha. Interesting.

For those that believe the equality/socialist type model can't work:

"The island's unique social and economic organisation has evolved over the years, but is based on the principles set out by William Glass in 1817, when he established a settlement based on equality. All Tristan families are farmers, owning their own stock and/or fishing. All land is communally owned. All households have plots of land at The Patches on which they grow potatoes. Livestock numbers are strictly controlled to conserve pasture and to prevent better-off families from accumulating wealth. "

Been like this for 200 years now.

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The contribution of the USSR? It's true that the decision to invade the USSR and fight on two fronts ultimately settled the war in the allies favour....though it was a close run thing....but this was a case of the 'enemies of our enemies are our friends'.

The USSR only fought Hitler because he turned on them.....like he always said he would back in the twenties.

This the same USSR who had a pack with Hitler called the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact which included a secret protocol that divided territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Romania, into German and Soviet "spheres of influence".

The same Soviets who, under that pack, invaded Poland with Germany.

The same Soviets who continued in Poland and other European countries for decades after the war...only leaving due to economic near collapse.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.09am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The point Kermy is that the island isn't particularly successful or socialist.

Socialism exists within the system just as socialism exists within our system here......as seen in the NHS, social housing, welfare and education systems.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I get that but they do successfully operate a policy of equality which the islanders themselves give the thumbs up too still 200 years down the line. And when you say the islands themselves aren't '"successful" what parameters are you using? Where is the failure? The native bunch I saw on BBC this morning seemed very positive in general about the place.

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