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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Nov 17 8.02am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
________________________________________________ You do get a sort of 'equality' with socialism - everyone ends up poor. Not really to do with the current Government though is it. That's rather the point isn't it! Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Nov 2017 8.03am)
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Nov 17 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What the hell does that even mean? Meaningless Lefty statistics from Lefty riddled organisations. Lefty poverty = Can't drink, smoke and eat enough take away or afford SKY. Those are IMF figures for relative poverty, which is a social and economic problem, whatever flippant, uneducated comments you may wish to make about it.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Nov 17 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Those are IMF figures for relative poverty, which is a social and economic problem, whatever flippant, uneducated comments you may wish to make about it. Your left wing education implanted socialist 'solutions' would cause more poverty rather than reduce it.
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Sportyteacher London 08 Nov 17 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Is the current opposition the most inept, useless, lying and downright incompetent opposition there has been in living memory? Do you work for Tory HQ? Have you studied the recent behaviours of The Conservative Party including rape allegations? (including new charge of leading Minister reported by The Evening Standard on Monday) All this on the day when Theresa May is likely to sack the out-of-control Priti Patel - what exactly was she discussing with the Israeli PM and company across those 12+ meetings during her so-called holiday?
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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Nov 17 11.19am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Do you work for Tory HQ? Have you studied the recent behaviours of The Conservative Party including rape allegations? (including new charge of leading Minister reported by The Evening Standard on Monday) All this on the day when Theresa May is likely to sack the out-of-control Priti Patel - what exactly was she discussing with the Israeli PM and company across those 12+ meetings during her so-called holiday? No I don't. I would probably vote for a non-Marxist Labour party. have you studied the recent behaviours of the Labour Party including rape allegations? Certainly Priti Patel should be sacked.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Nov 17 1.46pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Your left wing education implanted socialist 'solutions' would cause more poverty rather than reduce it. You're an idiot. All empirical data shows that reducing inequality from its current levels would increase productivity and increase output. This isn't simply theory. The Laffer curve has also been shown, empirically, to only kick in at relatively high levels of taxation (above 60% top rate), so again, from real life, well tested data, increasing the top rate of tax to a more reasonable level wouldn't reduce effort, and so wouldn't impact on output, and in fact the tax raised could be used to fund investment in infrastructure, education and public services, all of which would have a multiplier effect on output and make the economy and society better off. The extreme inequality in the UK and elsewhere across the globe is a huge break on economic productivity, both through inefficiencies of resources and in the way that the super wealthy go about avoid their proper contributions to the public purse, thereby forcing larger incidences of taxation on the less well off. The more skewed the income/wealth distribution the worse these two (huge) problems get.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Nov 17 2.10pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You're an idiot. All empirical data shows that reducing inequality from its current levels would increase productivity and increase output. This isn't simply theory. The Laffer curve has also been shown, empirically, to only kick in at relatively high levels of taxation (above 60% top rate), so again, from real life, well tested data, increasing the top rate of tax to a more reasonable level wouldn't reduce effort, and so wouldn't impact on output, and in fact the tax raised could be used to fund investment in infrastructure, education and public services, all of which would have a multiplier effect on output and make the economy and society better off. The extreme inequality in the UK and elsewhere across the globe is a huge break on economic productivity, both through inefficiencies of resources and in the way that the super wealthy go about avoid their proper contributions to the public purse, thereby forcing larger incidences of taxation on the less well off. The more skewed the income/wealth distribution the worse these two (huge) problems get. Have you read Jamie's directive on 'Personal attacks sniping etc' ?
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Nov 17 2.18pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Have you read Jamie's directive on 'Personal attacks sniping etc' ? Is this the point at which we should all flap about like school boys and encourage you to alert the mods? Naaaaaaa!
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Nov 17 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Those are IMF figures for relative poverty, which is a social and economic problem, whatever flippant, uneducated comments you may wish to make about it. And no doubt you are a leading expert on child poverty. Poverty is relative. When people are homeless, sharing a room with ten others or starving to death, then I will take notice.
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Lyons550 Shirley 08 Nov 17 2.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And no doubt you are a leading expert on child poverty. Poverty is relative. When people are homeless, sharing a room with ten others or starving to death, then I will take notice. Just so i can start to get my head around the definition which is poverty...feel free to educate me here Cambridge...is the IMF definition based on a financial figure in relation to that countries GDP or similar? The reason I ask is that a number of us seem to have different ideas...each perfectly valid as to what the term 'poverty' ACTUALLY means. - Do we use the victorian example?
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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Nov 17 3.18pm | |
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Child poverty is a ticking bombshell for the Tories, If it continues to increase at the present rate that will mean around 1 million more in addition to the 3.7 millions now. These children have been pushed into poverty by the Tories cuts and austerity policies since 2010. There just couldn't be a more abject failure.
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Nov 17 5.02pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Child poverty is a ticking bombshell for the Tories, If it continues to increase at the present rate that will mean around 1 million more in addition to the 3.7 millions now. These children have been pushed into poverty by the Tories cuts and austerity policies since 2010. There just couldn't be a more abject failure. The term child poverty is deliberately emotive since children don't earn money. In times gone by, many people barely had a pot to piss in and yet managed to get by and feed their kids. I see no evidence of this Victorian work house style existence today. Some people need a reality check. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Nov 2017 5.03pm)
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