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chris123 hove actually 05 Oct 17 11.49am
Originally posted by serial thriller I got a 1st from a top uni and am pro-Brexit. Where does that leave me? Just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else - I really glaze over when it's suggested that I didn't understand what I was voting for.
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hove actually 05 Oct 17 11.49am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I got a 1st from a top uni and am pro-Brexit. Where does that leave me?

Just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else - I really glaze over when it's suggested that I didn't understand what I was voting for.

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Oliver Bodega Bay 05 Oct 17 11.55am
Originally posted by serial thriller I got a 1st from a top uni and am pro-Brexit. Where does that leave me? Doesn't leave you anywhere different but 72% of people who have no educational qualifications at all voted Leave Edited by Oliver (05 Oct 2017 11.56am) I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 05 Oct 17 11.55am

Originally posted by serial thriller

I got a 1st from a top uni and am pro-Brexit. Where does that leave me?

Doesn't leave you anywhere different but 72% of people who have no educational qualifications at all voted Leave

Edited by Oliver (05 Oct 2017 11.56am)

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Oct 17 11.58am
Originally posted by chris123 Just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else - I really glaze over when it's suggested that I didn't understand what I was voting for. Tbf nobody could really know exactly what they were actually voting for re:Leave as a Brexit is uncharted waters so grey was/is everywhere. They did, however, understand what they hoped they were voting for. Time will tell which elements were pie in the sky and which weren't. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Oct 17 11.58am

Originally posted by chris123

Just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else - I really glaze over when it's suggested that I didn't understand what I was voting for.

Tbf nobody could really know exactly what they were actually voting for re:Leave as a Brexit is uncharted waters so grey was/is everywhere. They did, however, understand what they hoped they were voting for.

Time will tell which elements were pie in the sky and which weren't.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 12.03pm
Originally posted by dannyh Be anti establishment all you want, but don't be so blinkered as to believe the EU has Britain's best interest at heart. I don't disagree with this at all Danny. (Wish I was anywhere near being under-25 though). The EU has the interests of European (and British) Financial Services and Corporate interests at heart beyond anything else - I'm not pretending any different. However, the social and regulatory safeguards in place across the EU despite this corporate focus are much better for the average guy in the UK than the deregulated, quasi-Victorian ultra-capitalist, "devil take the hindmost" mess this country stands to become in the Brexit dreams of Farage, Murdoch, Boris et al. Take something as (to some people) trivial as food labelling. I like to know what's in my food and I like to know stuff like sugar / fat content. I want to know if it's full of artificial sh1te, Palm Oil, GM ingredients and the like - it gives me freedom to choose. This heinous EU over-regulation was one of the first on the hit-list for the Brexit campaign. Why? Does it allow consumers to "take back control"? Does it hell - it allows manufacturers and retailers to hide all sorts of crap in their products without the consumer having a clue. I'm looking beyond WW2 in history - history is filled with examples of what happens to the average person when wealth & capital are given free reign to enrich themselves further at everyone else's expense. The EU is the lesser of two evils, in my book. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 12.03pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Be anti establishment all you want, but don't be so blinkered as to believe the EU has Britain's best interest at heart.

I don't disagree with this at all Danny. (Wish I was anywhere near being under-25 though).

The EU has the interests of European (and British) Financial Services and Corporate interests at heart beyond anything else - I'm not pretending any different. However, the social and regulatory safeguards in place across the EU despite this corporate focus are much better for the average guy in the UK than the deregulated, quasi-Victorian ultra-capitalist, "devil take the hindmost" mess this country stands to become in the Brexit dreams of Farage, Murdoch, Boris et al.

Take something as (to some people) trivial as food labelling. I like to know what's in my food and I like to know stuff like sugar / fat content. I want to know if it's full of artificial sh1te, Palm Oil, GM ingredients and the like - it gives me freedom to choose.

This heinous EU over-regulation was one of the first on the hit-list for the Brexit campaign. Why? Does it allow consumers to "take back control"? Does it hell - it allows manufacturers and retailers to hide all sorts of crap in their products without the consumer having a clue.

I'm looking beyond WW2 in history - history is filled with examples of what happens to the average person when wealth & capital are given free reign to enrich themselves further at everyone else's expense.

The EU is the lesser of two evils, in my book.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 12.53pm
Originally posted by Oliver Doesn't leave you anywhere different but 72% of people who have no educational qualifications at all voted Leave Edited by Oliver (05 Oct 2017 11.56am) Or in reality.....72 percent of people with little to lose...voted leave. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Oct 17 12.53pm

Originally posted by Oliver

Doesn't leave you anywhere different but 72% of people who have no educational qualifications at all voted Leave

Edited by Oliver (05 Oct 2017 11.56am)

Or in reality.....72 percent of people with little to lose...voted leave.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 12.54pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle I'm looking beyond WW2 in history - history is filled with examples of what happens to the average person when wealth & capital are given free reign to enrich themselves further at everyone else's expense. The EU is the lesser of two evils, in my book. Get a better book. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Oct 17 12.54pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

The EU is the lesser of two evils, in my book.

Get a better book.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Get a better book. "How To Fund a Beach Resort - Over My Dead Bodies" by Boris Johnson? Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Get a better book.

"How To Fund a Beach Resort - Over My Dead Bodies" by Boris Johnson?

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Or in reality.....72 percent of people with little to lose...voted leave. This is a fair point. The Status Quo is rigged. You just think that Brexit will alter it for the benefit of the many - I couldn't disagree more with that view. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Or in reality.....72 percent of people with little to lose...voted leave.

This is a fair point. The Status Quo is rigged.

You just think that Brexit will alter it for the benefit of the many - I couldn't disagree more with that view.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 1.12pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle This is a fair point. The Status Quo is rigged. You just think that Brexit will alter it for the benefit of the many - I couldn't disagree more with that view. That's a question we have to wait on. How we are in 2030 would perhaps tell us. Or perhaps it will be like the French revolution.....too early to tell. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2017 1.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Oct 17 1.12pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

This is a fair point. The Status Quo is rigged.

You just think that Brexit will alter it for the benefit of the many - I couldn't disagree more with that view.

That's a question we have to wait on. How we are in 2030 would perhaps tell us.

Or perhaps it will be like the French revolution.....too early to tell.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2017 1.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Oct 17 1.16pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle This is a fair point. The Status Quo is rigged. You just think that Brexit will alter it for the benefit of the many - I couldn't disagree more with that view. If you think people have little chance of changing how their own country is run, what chance do you think they would have in changing the EU? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 05 Oct 17 1.16pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

This is a fair point. The Status Quo is rigged.

You just think that Brexit will alter it for the benefit of the many - I couldn't disagree more with that view.

If you think people have little chance of changing how their own country is run, what chance do you think they would have in changing the EU?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 1.23pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle "How To Fund a Beach Resort - Over My Dead Bodies" by Boris Johnson? I've read worse. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Oct 17 1.23pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

"How To Fund a Beach Resort - Over My Dead Bodies" by Boris Johnson?

I've read worse.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.23pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 If you think people have little chance of changing how their own country is run, what chance do you think they would have in changing the EU? The EU - in my view - is the one thing saving us from the unrestrained excesses of our current ruling class. Food Banks aren't an EU requirement, selling off core national infrastructure to the highest bidder isn't either; nor is entrenching wealth by deliberate stoking of property prices by failure to build more homes. The changes need to happen at home first. Edited by Mr_Gristle (05 Oct 2017 1.27pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.23pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

If you think people have little chance of changing how their own country is run, what chance do you think they would have in changing the EU?

The EU - in my view - is the one thing saving us from the unrestrained excesses of our current ruling class. Food Banks aren't an EU requirement, selling off core national infrastructure to the highest bidder isn't either; nor is entrenching wealth by deliberate stoking of property prices by failure to build more homes.

The changes need to happen at home first.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (05 Oct 2017 1.27pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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