Point was that I was discrediting the facts about Stoke as I was convinced that they were incorrect and certainly someone on here took them at face value.

But kindly thank that person in the pub on my behalf for the statistic.

There were promises of:

'gradual changes'
'Evolution not revolution'
'Results over style'

Frank said we suited 3-4-3 when we clearly don't. He fielded 3 new players with some irresponsible team decisions and was still short of 3 players for 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. He probably decided on 3 at the back before even joining.

They both share responsibility. Frank more IMO.

They both have a lot at stake so it could still work out. The striker f*** up doesn't help one iota.