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leejaneagles 30 Aug 17 12.26pm
I prefer exciting and unpredictable players as well as 'inferior' players that try hard over what we currently seem to be watching. Unless they are clearly done for (Puncheon), I'll tolerate someone that tries hard but blows hot and cold - Bolasie for example besides his last season. I hate watching Benteke whine and moan when he doesn't get the ball he wants but often it's because he hasn't moved from his starting position and his defender is marking him. Then when he does get a good ball like the Cabaye cross towards the end of the Swansea game, he's caught flat-footed and then moans some more. I'd of loved to have kept Glenn Murray for one more season. I'd of loved to have kept Bolasie. Jedinak should of still been in the team and at the very least had a proper farewell. These are players I want to watch, despite if they lose and know they are only losing because they simply aren't good enough, not because they aren't trying or because they've been squeezed into an incompatible formation. If we get relegated with Bolasie/Zaha/Murray, it's acceptable and not a disaster whereas it's frustrating and probably destroys our clubs finances if we get relegated with Benteke and Townsend for example. They wouldn't stick around...and I like Townsend.
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30 Aug 17 12.26pm

I prefer exciting and unpredictable players as well as 'inferior' players that try hard over what we currently seem to be watching.

Unless they are clearly done for (Puncheon), I'll tolerate someone that tries hard but blows hot and cold - Bolasie for example besides his last season.

I hate watching Benteke whine and moan when he doesn't get the ball he wants but often it's because he hasn't moved from his starting position and his defender is marking him. Then when he does get a good ball like the Cabaye cross towards the end of the Swansea game, he's caught flat-footed and then moans some more.

I'd of loved to have kept Glenn Murray for one more season. I'd of loved to have kept Bolasie.

Jedinak should of still been in the team and at the very least had a proper farewell. These are players I want to watch, despite if they lose and know they are only losing because they simply aren't good enough, not because they aren't trying or because they've been squeezed into an incompatible formation.

If we get relegated with Bolasie/Zaha/Murray, it's acceptable and not a disaster whereas it's frustrating and probably destroys our clubs finances if we get relegated with Benteke and Townsend for example. They wouldn't stick around...and I like Townsend.

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minted 30 Aug 17 12.29pm
Originally posted by paperhat Now, before everyone gets the wrong end of the stick, this isn't a spoilt brat , toys out the pan rant, it's a genuine statement and question. I've been a fan of Palace since my early teens when they used to give tickets out to the local schools to encourage us to swell the ranks at matches. When i first could, i bought a season ticket and , along with a couple of friends began 'that' journey on the rollercoaster. Over the years friends and family have changed and moved on, people have differing commitments and our day out has evolved. Over the past 2/3 seasons i've begun to not enjoy the daily experience, mainly the football element. This past Saturday after that awful performance i genuinely felt like i didn't want to watch them again. Now, as I say, this isn't just because of this one match, its been building over time. I'm not a fairweather supporter either, it seems that the team are not providing any entertainment any more and its all becoming a bit drab and predictable. Does anyone else feel the same way or begun to feel this way? I'm really considering the future of my season ticket ongoing from now.... I totally understand how you feel. I think back to the days when we had the likes of Wright and Bright and so many other players who we looked on as "our players" and even when we were down there in Division 3 we still went along every match to support them, regardless of whether we won, drew or lost. The point was we were a family. Fast forward to nowadays. It is not just Palace, we are in an era of players who really don't care too much about the club they are employed by. There is so much money floating around and they will only stick with their current club until an opportunity arises for them to "better themselves". We also have players coming in from all over the world asking for unbelievable money, and of course we also have the agents who are the biggest problem in football in my view. Unbelievable prices are being asked for just ordinary players, e.g. how in hell can the likes of Chamberlain be worth the money that's being asked for him? I could go on. but unfortunately we are stuck with what we have until we return to sensibility, which could be a long way away. Probably supporters like you and me will continue to drift away but I fear that it will be a long time before we get back to something like normality. That will depend largely on whether Sky will continue or not to feed the fat goose. Surely there must be a time in the future when supporters get fed up with it all?
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minted 30 Aug 17 12.29pm

Originally posted by paperhat

Now, before everyone gets the wrong end of the stick, this isn't a spoilt brat , toys out the pan rant, it's a genuine statement and question.

I've been a fan of Palace since my early teens when they used to give tickets out to the local schools to encourage us to swell the ranks at matches.

When i first could, i bought a season ticket and , along with a couple of friends began 'that' journey on the rollercoaster.

Over the years friends and family have changed and moved on, people have differing commitments and our day out has evolved.

Over the past 2/3 seasons i've begun to not enjoy the daily experience, mainly the football element. This past Saturday after that awful performance i genuinely felt like i didn't want to watch them again. Now, as I say, this isn't just because of this one match, its been building over time. I'm not a fairweather supporter either, it seems that the team are not providing any entertainment any more and its all becoming a bit drab and predictable.

Does anyone else feel the same way or begun to feel this way? I'm really considering the future of my season ticket ongoing from now....

I totally understand how you feel. I think back to the days when we had the likes of Wright and Bright and so many other players who we looked on as "our players" and even when we were down there in Division 3 we still went along every match to support them, regardless of whether we won, drew or lost. The point was we were a family.
Fast forward to nowadays. It is not just Palace, we are in an era of players who really don't care too much about the club they are employed by. There is so much money floating around and they will only stick with their current club until an opportunity arises for them to "better themselves". We also have players coming in from all over the world asking for unbelievable money, and of course we also have the agents who are the biggest problem in football in my view. Unbelievable prices are being asked for just ordinary players, e.g. how in hell can the likes of Chamberlain be worth the money that's being asked for him?
I could go on. but unfortunately we are stuck with what we have until we return to sensibility, which could be a long way away. Probably supporters like you and me will continue to drift away but I fear that it will be a long time before we get back to something like normality. That will depend largely on whether Sky will continue or not to feed the fat goose. Surely there must be a time in the future when supporters get fed up with it all?

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Dan1994 Wallington 30 Aug 17 12.33pm
Not a dig, but I do genuinely find it fascinating that this is our best arguably our best squad we've had, and this is our longest sustained period of top-flight football ever, yet a lot of us still feel incredibly deflated. Maybe it's because we're so used to being in the second tier and winning, it's f*ing with our brains! I do think that we just need to ride it out. We definitely don't want to be going down, where we'll ship off loads of our players, see higher ticket prices, see se football and s**e stadiums. I guess the atmospheres would be better, but that's literally the only positive, and I'd rather beat Chelsea away, rather than Burton away [Link]
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Wallington 30 Aug 17 12.33pm

Not a dig, but I do genuinely find it fascinating that this is our best arguably our best squad we've had, and this is our longest sustained period of top-flight football ever, yet a lot of us still feel incredibly deflated. Maybe it's because we're so used to being in the second tier and winning, it's f***ing with our brains!

I do think that we just need to ride it out. We definitely don't want to be going down, where we'll ship off loads of our players, see higher ticket prices, see s***e football and s***e stadiums. I guess the atmospheres would be better, but that's literally the only positive, and I'd rather beat Chelsea away, rather than Burton away

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bangkokeagle bangkok 30 Aug 17 12.41pm
Originally posted by Dan1994 Not a dig, but I do genuinely find it fascinating that this is our best arguably our best squad we've had, and this is our longest sustained period of top-flight football ever, yet a lot of us still feel incredibly deflated. Dan, I think that's the point... we probably do have the most "talented squad" since I've been watching, certainly the most expensive, but we are absolutely awful, especially at home. That's alienating people. I've seen us win about 2-3 times at home in the last five seasons. Edited by bangkokeagle (30 Aug 2017 12.43pm) 'It's unbelievable and, in many ways, it's believable' Tony Popovic
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bangkok 30 Aug 17 12.41pm

Originally posted by Dan1994

Dan, I think that's the point... we probably do have the most "talented squad" since I've been watching, certainly the most expensive, but we are absolutely awful, especially at home. That's alienating people. I've seen us win about 2-3 times at home in the last five seasons.

Edited by bangkokeagle (30 Aug 2017 12.43pm)

'It's unbelievable and, in many ways, it's believable' Tony Popovic

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leejaneagles 30 Aug 17 12.44pm
Originally posted by Dan1994 Not a dig, but I do genuinely find it fascinating that this is our best arguably our best squad we've had, and this is our longest sustained period of top-flight football ever, yet a lot of us still feel incredibly deflated. Maybe it's because we're so used to being in the second tier and winning, it's f*ing with our brains! I do think that we just need to ride it out. We definitely don't want to be going down, where we'll ship off loads of our players, see higher ticket prices, see se football and s**e stadiums. I guess the atmospheres would be better, but that's literally the only positive, and I'd rather beat Chelsea away, rather than Burton away Home record. I'd say minority are season ticket holders AND go to every away game. There's a few more like myself in the middle that go to a few away games and a season ticket holder but vast majority are home fans. Imagine paying all that money 3 seasons in a row and it still looking like if we're going to get to 40 points it will be on the road. Selhurst is a cauldron of frustration at the moment. Last year, during our best patch, we managed to beat Arsenal at Selhurst but besides that lost to Tottenham (no shame) and no away wins all season Burnley! We have to be at our best just to win 5 home games a season, it's not good enough and not fair on paying members.
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30 Aug 17 12.44pm

Originally posted by Dan1994

Home record. I'd say minority are season ticket holders AND go to every away game. There's a few more like myself in the middle that go to a few away games and a season ticket holder but vast majority are home fans.

Imagine paying all that money 3 seasons in a row and it still looking like if we're going to get to 40 points it will be on the road.

Selhurst is a cauldron of frustration at the moment. Last year, during our best patch, we managed to beat Arsenal at Selhurst but besides that lost to Tottenham (no shame) and no away wins all season Burnley! We have to be at our best just to win 5 home games a season, it's not good enough and not fair on paying members.

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shivie East Sussex 30 Aug 17 12.45pm
40 years of going to the Pride of South London and season ticket holder It is with sadness in my heart that I have already decided not to go to the Southampton match as the football, desire & club attitude has finally got to me. You either back a manager or sack the man but SP & the rest of the senior management/directors must have an awfully long look into the mirror as they are the only ones who appoint the manager I keep my fingers, toes & anything else I can find crossed that things will change however I have not bet my mortgage on this happening Feeling very down beat from Sussex Originally posted by baldeagle73 I've been going for 37 years and it's sad to say but I get very little pleasure from the football or the supposed match day experience the only enjoyable part of the day is the pub beforehand I'm pretty much just going out if habit
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East Sussex 30 Aug 17 12.45pm

40 years of going to the Pride of South London and season ticket holder

It is with sadness in my heart that I have already decided not to go to the Southampton match as the football, desire & club attitude has finally got to me.

You either back a manager or sack the man but SP & the rest of the senior management/directors must have an awfully long look into the mirror as they are the only ones who appoint the manager

I keep my fingers, toes & anything else I can find crossed that things will change however I have not bet my mortgage on this happening

Feeling very down beat from Sussex

Originally posted by baldeagle73

I've been going for 37 years and it's sad to say but I get very little pleasure from the football or the supposed match day experience the only enjoyable part of the day is the pub beforehand I'm pretty much just going out if habit

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Aug 17 12.57pm
Originally posted by leejaneagles I prefer exciting and unpredictable players as well as 'inferior' players that try hard over what we currently seem to be watching. Unless they are clearly done for (Puncheon), I'll tolerate someone that tries hard but blows hot and cold - Bolasie for example besides his last season. I hate watching Benteke whine and moan when he doesn't get the ball he wants but often it's because he hasn't moved from his starting position and his defender is marking him. Then when he does get a good ball like the Cabaye cross towards the end of the Swansea game, he's caught flat-footed and then moans some more. I'd of loved to have kept Glenn Murray for one more season. I'd of loved to have kept Bolasie. Jedinak should of still been in the team and at the very least had a proper farewell. These are players I want to watch, despite if they lose and know they are only losing because they simply aren't good enough, not because they aren't trying or because they've been squeezed into an incompatible formation. If we get relegated with Bolasie/Zaha/Murray, it's acceptable and not a disaster whereas it's frustrating and probably destroys our clubs finances if we get relegated with Benteke and Townsend for example. They wouldn't stick around...and I like Townsend. Just as well if they didn't stick around on their wages and we would be trying to reshuffle our pack of players anyway. btw, Bolasie wanted to leave to earn more money. £100k. How does that change your view? i.e - he's more of a problem financially that Townsend, and he's in it for the money, here or at Everton, and aiming to take the max he can get. He wasn't playing for love of Palace you know. Jedinak should still be in the team? Are you having a laugh? Where we went wrong was not replacing him. We have Luka now who is a far more talented player than Jedinak could ever be, however much I and everyone loved and appreciated his achievements. The problem is Luka has been played in 4 pre season games at CB in a back 3, into a midfield in a 3-4-3, and finding his feet in a 3-5-something. Stick him in front of the defence of a 4 with 2 CBs digonally behind him and he's mustard. If the manager heeds the warnings from the results and possibly meetings with Parish, a lot of fans' frustrations will pass. If not, well.... P.S - Murray going wasn't ideal, but wanting to start when you have limited time left and all that. But then having Bumfluff and the other sh1t that came in on loan makes people more angry about a player wanting to play leaving. Wickham was going to be THE man but then had inury problems. COYP
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Caterham 30 Aug 17 12.57pm

Originally posted by leejaneagles

I prefer exciting and unpredictable players as well as 'inferior' players that try hard over what we currently seem to be watching.

Unless they are clearly done for (Puncheon), I'll tolerate someone that tries hard but blows hot and cold - Bolasie for example besides his last season.

I'd of loved to have kept Glenn Murray for one more season. I'd of loved to have kept Bolasie.

Jedinak should of still been in the team and at the very least had a proper farewell. These are players I want to watch, despite if they lose and know they are only losing because they simply aren't good enough, not because they aren't trying or because they've been squeezed into an incompatible formation.

If we get relegated with Bolasie/Zaha/Murray, it's acceptable and not a disaster whereas it's frustrating and probably destroys our clubs finances if we get relegated with Benteke and Townsend for example. They wouldn't stick around...and I like Townsend.

Just as well if they didn't stick around on their wages and we would be trying to reshuffle our pack of players anyway.

btw, Bolasie wanted to leave to earn more money. £100k. How does that change your view? i.e - he's more of a problem financially that Townsend, and he's in it for the money, here or at Everton, and aiming to take the max he can get. He wasn't playing for love of Palace you know.

Jedinak should still be in the team? Are you having a laugh? Where we went wrong was not replacing him. We have Luka now who is a far more talented player than Jedinak could ever be, however much I and everyone loved and appreciated his achievements. The problem is Luka has been played in 4 pre season games at CB in a back 3, into a midfield in a 3-4-3, and finding his feet in a 3-5-something. Stick him in front of the defence of a 4 with 2 CBs digonally behind him and he's mustard.

If the manager heeds the warnings from the results and possibly meetings with Parish, a lot of fans' frustrations will pass. If not, well....

P.S - Murray going wasn't ideal, but wanting to start when you have limited time left and all that. But then having Bumfluff and the other sh1t that came in on loan makes people more angry about a player wanting to play leaving. Wickham was going to be THE man but then had inury problems.

COYP

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PALACE FOR EVER London 30 Aug 17 1.12pm
First of all - anybody has the right to stop and start again watching us. For some people over years what we did before & after the match changes which was all part of going to watch, especially after the match. Defeats may have been moaned about but also laughed about with mates plus other subjects talked about. Who we watched with and the amount we went with changes. Lets admit it the thinking 'its not as good as it used to be' easily sets in. I started going in 1977/78 (age 11) but after three seasons it started going wrong. I'm not going to analyse it all from there but in both divisions there has been some poor football played under different managers. With football clubs its forever changing but you never know when, some clubs' fans from different positions in different leagues don't like what they are watching there would of been some from Chelsea saying/moaning about losing at home to us. Edited by PALACE FOR EVER (30 Aug 2017 1.35pm) The pyramid to beat all pyramids!! [Link] Find out what team is in which division, eg which division is Coppull United in?
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First of all - anybody has the right to stop and start again watching us.

For some people over years what we did before & after the match changes which was all part of going to watch, especially after the match. Defeats may have been moaned about but also laughed about with mates plus other subjects talked about.

Who we watched with and the amount we went with changes.

Lets admit it the thinking 'its not as good as it used to be' easily sets in. I started going in 1977/78 (age 11) but after three seasons it started going wrong. I'm not going to analyse it all from there but in both divisions there has been some poor football played under different managers.

With football clubs its forever changing but you never know when, some clubs' fans from different positions in different leagues don't like what they are watching there would of been some from Chelsea saying/moaning about losing at home to us.

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Find out what team is in which division, eg which division is Coppull United in?

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paperhat croydon 30 Aug 17 1.24pm
Originally posted by shivie 40 years of going to the Pride of South London and season ticket holder It is with sadness in my heart that I have already decided not to go to the Southampton match as the football, desire & club attitude has finally got to me. You either back a manager or sack the man but SP & the rest of the senior management/directors must have an awfully long look into the mirror as they are the only ones who appoint the manager I keep my fingers, toes & anything else I can find crossed that things will change however I have not bet my mortgage on this happening Feeling very down beat from Sussex I'm pleased and saddened to see i'm not alone here then. This post pretty much sums up where i'm currently at as it were. The whole matchday experience seems flat, despite the copious amounts of alcohol and banter that go with it. It was the first 10 mins vs Swansea where the entire stadium collectively knew it was going to be a long day that did it for me, just cant stomach feeling like for much longer. Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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croydon 30 Aug 17 1.24pm

Originally posted by shivie

40 years of going to the Pride of South London and season ticket holder

It is with sadness in my heart that I have already decided not to go to the Southampton match as the football, desire & club attitude has finally got to me.

You either back a manager or sack the man but SP & the rest of the senior management/directors must have an awfully long look into the mirror as they are the only ones who appoint the manager

I keep my fingers, toes & anything else I can find crossed that things will change however I have not bet my mortgage on this happening

Feeling very down beat from Sussex

I'm pleased and saddened to see i'm not alone here then.

This post pretty much sums up where i'm currently at as it were.

The whole matchday experience seems flat, despite the copious amounts of alcohol and banter that go with it.

It was the first 10 mins vs Swansea where the entire stadium collectively knew it was going to be a long day that did it for me, just cant stomach feeling like for much longer.

Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan

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JacksonEagle Croydon 30 Aug 17 1.25pm
The most frustrating part for me personally is the last 3/4 seasons we've generally had a relegation battle and saved ourselves in the last couple of months. At the end of each of these seasons i think as fans we've all thought 'next season it's time to push on' bar Pardews first season when we saved ourselves in the first half of the season we've never done that. Each year we don't seem to progress or learn past lessons, i'll also add each year we seem to have our fair share of bad luck regrading 2 managers who looked like they could push us on but leaving for whatever reasons. This season has started and it's got that inevitable feeling of 'here we go again' and i personally find it a little embarrassing. Its only 3 games i know, and chelsea lost their first 3 games last year then won the league sooo... Not sure what my point is or where this post is going but yeah, i get why the OP feels the way he does!
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Croydon 30 Aug 17 1.25pm

The most frustrating part for me personally is the last 3/4 seasons we've generally had a relegation battle and saved ourselves in the last couple of months.

At the end of each of these seasons i think as fans we've all thought 'next season it's time to push on' bar Pardews first season when we saved ourselves in the first half of the season we've never done that.

Each year we don't seem to progress or learn past lessons, i'll also add each year we seem to have our fair share of bad luck regrading 2 managers who looked like they could push us on but leaving for whatever reasons.

This season has started and it's got that inevitable feeling of 'here we go again' and i personally find it a little embarrassing. Its only 3 games i know, and chelsea lost their first 3 games last year then won the league sooo...

Not sure what my point is or where this post is going but yeah, i get why the OP feels the way he does!

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Painter Croydon 30 Aug 17 1.27pm
The match day experience has never been the same, since they stopped the half time entertainment " On my Shed". After that match days have been depressing, I know how the OP feels, the only genuine excitement has been removed.
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Croydon 30 Aug 17 1.27pm

The match day experience has never been the same, since they stopped the half time entertainment " On my Shed".
After that match days have been depressing, I know how the OP feels, the only genuine excitement has been removed.

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victor43 St. Albans 30 Aug 17 1.35pm
Originally posted by leejaneagles I prefer exciting and unpredictable players as well as 'inferior' players that try hard over what we currently seem to be watching. Unless they are clearly done for (Puncheon), I'll tolerate someone that tries hard but blows hot and cold - Bolasie for example besides his last season. I hate watching Benteke whine and moan when he doesn't get the ball he wants but often it's because he hasn't moved from his starting position and his defender is marking him. Then when he does get a good ball like the Cabaye cross towards the end of the Swansea game, he's caught flat-footed and then moans some more. I'd of loved to have kept Glenn Murray for one more season. I'd of loved to have kept Bolasie. Jedinak should of still been in the team and at the very least had a proper farewell. These are players I want to watch, despite if they lose and know they are only losing because they simply aren't good enough, not because they aren't trying or because they've been squeezed into an incompatible formation. If we get relegated with Bolasie/Zaha/Murray, it's acceptable and not a disaster whereas it's frustrating and probably destroys our clubs finances if we get relegated with Benteke and Townsend for example. They wouldn't stick around...and I like Townsend. It always amazes me how many fans put forward the argument that 'as long as the payers try hard, Palace fans will be happy'. THE BIGGEST load of nonsense ever. Remember when we had hard working but limited players under Holloway? I don't recall the fans being all happy clappy then. And strangely the players have always 'not tried' when we lose...crazy coincidence almost like there are other factors at play when deciding the outcome of a match. Why keep Murray? He didn't want to be on the bench, wasn't going to start so let him go. Plus he could be a right moany bugger at times. Jedinak - agree he should have had a proper send off, but we were pants for 6 months while he played, and he again wanted to keep playing but wasnt going to be first choice. Can't blame us for selling (only not replacing). Bolasie so obviously wanted out it would be madness to have kept him. Zaha is on equal or near wages to Benteke...so not sure how that would be different. These threads always come out when we are doing badly... I guess people are naturally pessimistic and nostalgic. I can't believe anyone who sat through watching Peter Taylor's team can say this is any worse. if you compare it to the promotion season of course its less exciting because we were winning every week! Blog: Andy Johnson's Magic Hat [Link] Twitter: [Tweet Link]
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St. Albans 30 Aug 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by leejaneagles

I prefer exciting and unpredictable players as well as 'inferior' players that try hard over what we currently seem to be watching.

Unless they are clearly done for (Puncheon), I'll tolerate someone that tries hard but blows hot and cold - Bolasie for example besides his last season.

I'd of loved to have kept Glenn Murray for one more season. I'd of loved to have kept Bolasie.

It always amazes me how many fans put forward the argument that 'as long as the payers try hard, Palace fans will be happy'. THE BIGGEST load of nonsense ever. Remember when we had hard working but limited players under Holloway? I don't recall the fans being all happy clappy then.

And strangely the players have always 'not tried' when we lose...crazy coincidence almost like there are other factors at play when deciding the outcome of a match.

Why keep Murray? He didn't want to be on the bench, wasn't going to start so let him go. Plus he could be a right moany bugger at times. Jedinak - agree he should have had a proper send off, but we were pants for 6 months while he played, and he again wanted to keep playing but wasnt going to be first choice. Can't blame us for selling (only not replacing). Bolasie so obviously wanted out it would be madness to have kept him.

Zaha is on equal or near wages to Benteke...so not sure how that would be different.

These threads always come out when we are doing badly... I guess people are naturally pessimistic and nostalgic.

I can't believe anyone who sat through watching Peter Taylor's team can say this is any worse. if you compare it to the promotion season of course its less exciting because we were winning every week!

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