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Ray in Houston Houston 08 Aug 17 3.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Did they have to lower the physical standards for women to serve in the front line? I weigh 260 pounds of mostly muscle. If I needed carrying or dragging to safety I'd expect a women fighting on the front line to be physically able to do it. Otherwise....if that isn't the case....then what has happened has nothing to do with equality. I don't know across the board, but I found this article [Link] (one of many) discussing the US Marines' updated approach to combat fitness. It seems they kept the old standard for non-combat roles but upped the fitness requirements for combat roles. As you might expect, there aren't many women applying for combat roles in the Marines, but whoever applies is required to pass the same tests. Moving a casualty is one of those tests. Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Aug 2017 3.50pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Did they have to lower the physical standards for women to serve in the front line?

I weigh 260 pounds of mostly muscle. If I needed carrying or dragging to safety I'd expect a women fighting on the front line to be physically able to do it.

Otherwise....if that isn't the case....then what has happened has nothing to do with equality.

I don't know across the board, but I found this article [Link] (one of many) discussing the US Marines' updated approach to combat fitness. It seems they kept the old standard for non-combat roles but upped the fitness requirements for combat roles.

As you might expect, there aren't many women applying for combat roles in the Marines, but whoever applies is required to pass the same tests. Moving a casualty is one of those tests.

Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Aug 2017 3.50pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 4.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Did they have to lower the physical standards for women to serve in the front line? You have to be remarkably fit to get through basic training in the military. That said, I think it would be reasonable to assess what the physical requirements are for each front line role (as there are a myriad of front line roles, which have different physical requirements - A lot of infantry men might struggle to get in to the Parachute Regiment, where as something like a signals intelligence role, might have lower requirements than an infantry man. Apparently, and its anecdotal, women make excellent snipers (according to the Red Army and Israeli defence force). It would be reasonable to assume that whilst there may be some roles they're not suited to, that they're others that they're superior for. Obviously that doesn't include driving at tank.... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Did they have to lower the physical standards for women to serve in the front line?

You have to be remarkably fit to get through basic training in the military. That said, I think it would be reasonable to assess what the physical requirements are for each front line role (as there are a myriad of front line roles, which have different physical requirements - A lot of infantry men might struggle to get in to the Parachute Regiment, where as something like a signals intelligence role, might have lower requirements than an infantry man.

Apparently, and its anecdotal, women make excellent snipers (according to the Red Army and Israeli defence force). It would be reasonable to assume that whilst there may be some roles they're not suited to, that they're others that they're superior for.

Obviously that doesn't include driving at tank....

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 4.03pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I don't know across the board, but I found this article [Link] (one of many) discussing the US Marines' updated approach to combat fitness. It seems they kept the old standard for non-combat roles but upped the fitness requirements for combat roles. As you might expect, there aren't many women applying for combat roles in the Marines, but whoever applies is required to pass the same tests. Moving a casualty is one of those tests. Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Aug 2017 3.50pm) Of course if male casualties are heavier and harder to move, that's also an argument for having more women in the military - as they're generally lighter and easier to move than a bloke Although in my research, all I've been able to ascertain is that female troops have no gag reflex and see underwear as an inconvenience. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

As you might expect, there aren't many women applying for combat roles in the Marines, but whoever applies is required to pass the same tests. Moving a casualty is one of those tests.

Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Aug 2017 3.50pm)

Of course if male casualties are heavier and harder to move, that's also an argument for having more women in the military - as they're generally lighter and easier to move than a bloke

Although in my research, all I've been able to ascertain is that female troops have no gag reflex and see underwear as an inconvenience.

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.07pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I don't know across the board, but I found this article [Link] (one of many) discussing the US Marines' updated approach to combat fitness. It seems they kept the old standard for non-combat roles but upped the fitness requirements for combat roles. As you might expect, there aren't many women applying for combat roles in the Marines, but whoever applies is required to pass the same tests. Moving a casualty is one of those tests. Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Aug 2017 3.50pm) That's fair enough....If any woman can pass the requirement in the combat role then why not. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 4.07pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

As you might expect, there aren't many women applying for combat roles in the Marines, but whoever applies is required to pass the same tests. Moving a casualty is one of those tests.

Edited by Ray in Houston (08 Aug 2017 3.50pm)

That's fair enough....If any woman can pass the requirement in the combat role then why not.

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.11pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 You have to be remarkably fit to get through basic training in the military. That said, I think it would be reasonable to assess what the physical requirements are for each front line role (as there are a myriad of front line roles, which have different physical requirements - A lot of infantry men might struggle to get in to the Parachute Regiment, where as something like a signals intelligence role, might have lower requirements than an infantry man. Apparently, and its anecdotal, women make excellent snipers (according to the Red Army and Israeli defence force). It would be reasonable to assume that whilst there may be some roles they're not suited to, that they're others that they're superior for. Obviously that doesn't include driving at tank.... Yep, I don't have any problem with any of that. If someone can do the job as described then it isn't an issue for me. I just have an issue when I hear that the forces have to start changing this or that to accommodate this or that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Obviously that doesn't include driving at tank....

Yep, I don't have any problem with any of that. If someone can do the job as described then it isn't an issue for me.

I just have an issue when I hear that the forces have to start changing this or that to accommodate this or that.

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.14pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Of course if male casualties are heavier and harder to move, that's also an argument for having more women in the military - as they're generally lighter and easier to move than a bloke Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Although in my research, all I've been able to ascertain is that female troops have no gag reflex and see underwear as an inconvenience. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 4.14pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of course if male casualties are heavier and harder to move, that's also an argument for having more women in the military - as they're generally lighter and easier to move than a bloke

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Although in my research, all I've been able to ascertain is that female troops have no gag reflex and see underwear as an inconvenience.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's fair enough....If any woman can pass the requirement in the combat role then why not. Problem is that in modern warfare, combat role is an increasingly blurred concept, and different roles have different requirements - Women in the military are increasingly finding themselves in combat roles, whilst not in combat roles, due to the nature of asymmetrical warfare. There is also apparently a demand for women in special forces roles, where increasingly these are not battle field deployments but counter-insurgency and intelligence operations - where infiltration and reccon may be easier as a woman - but few women graduate to Delta qualification. As found with the SOE women in war have some very distinct advantages, especially when operating behind front lines. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's fair enough....If any woman can pass the requirement in the combat role then why not.

Problem is that in modern warfare, combat role is an increasingly blurred concept, and different roles have different requirements - Women in the military are increasingly finding themselves in combat roles, whilst not in combat roles, due to the nature of asymmetrical warfare.

There is also apparently a demand for women in special forces roles, where increasingly these are not battle field deployments but counter-insurgency and intelligence operations - where infiltration and reccon may be easier as a woman - but few women graduate to Delta qualification.

As found with the SOE women in war have some very distinct advantages, especially when operating behind front lines.

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Problem is that in modern warfare, combat role is an increasingly blurred concept, and different roles have different requirements - Women in the military are increasingly finding themselves in combat roles, whilst not in combat roles, due to the nature of asymmetrical warfare. There is also apparently a demand for women in special forces roles, where increasingly these are not battle field deployments but counter-insurgency and intelligence operations - where infiltration and reccon may be easier as a woman - but few women graduate to Delta qualification. As found with the SOE women in war have some very distinct advantages, especially when operating behind front lines. The number of women who want to take on combat roles is significantly low compared to men....that may even be an understatement. But if they can pass then I have no problem as a standard doesn't have balls or t1ts. As for roles where women might be suited....I'm pretty sure there are plenty of small frame males who could also suit the role. The Army has never lacked personnel.....Well, it does now for certain positions because the arseholes in charge have reduced the pool to choose from dramatically. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

As found with the SOE women in war have some very distinct advantages, especially when operating behind front lines.

The number of women who want to take on combat roles is significantly low compared to men....that may even be an understatement. But if they can pass then I have no problem as a standard doesn't have balls or t1ts.

As for roles where women might be suited....I'm pretty sure there are plenty of small frame males who could also suit the role. The Army has never lacked personnel.....Well, it does now for certain positions because the arseholes in charge have reduced the pool to choose from dramatically.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.23pm)

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 08 Aug 17 4.32pm
is it okay to say literally anything in an internal communication if there is some form of research to back it up? If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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is it okay to say literally anything in an internal communication if there is some form of research to back it up?

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Aug 17 4.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The number of women who want to take on combat roles is significantly low compared to men....that may even be an understatement. But if they can pass then I have no problem as a standard doesn't have balls or t1ts. As for roles where women might be suited....I'm pretty sure there are plenty of small frame males who could also suit the role. The Army has never lacked personnel.....Well, it does now for certain positions because the arseholes in charge have reduced the pool to choose from dramatically. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.23pm) A lot of the special forces work is in recon and intelligence gathering. Women tend to draw less attention and have an easier time moving around freely than men and also draw less suspicion, because they're women. Also when you consider the enemy will typically be male soldiers, infiltration by a woman is a lot easier. Its not really about size, its about actually being a woman. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.23pm)

A lot of the special forces work is in recon and intelligence gathering. Women tend to draw less attention and have an easier time moving around freely than men and also draw less suspicion, because they're women. Also when you consider the enemy will typically be male soldiers, infiltration by a woman is a lot easier.

Its not really about size, its about actually being a woman.

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig is it okay to say literally anything in an internal communication if there is some form of research to back it up? There is quite a lot of research that backed up his positions. That's part of the problem. Google's ideological position has little to do with research and much more to do with 'feelings' and 'values'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 4.35pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

is it okay to say literally anything in an internal communication if there is some form of research to back it up?

There is quite a lot of research that backed up his positions. That's part of the problem. Google's ideological position has little to do with research and much more to do with 'feelings' and 'values'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 08 Aug 17 4.37pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 A lot of the special forces work is in recon and intelligence gathering. Women tend to draw less attention and have an easier time moving around freely than men and also draw less suspicion, because they're women. Also when you consider the enemy will typically be male soldiers, infiltration by a woman is a lot easier. Its not really about size, its about actually being a woman. How much is this just your opinion? Are there any generals calling for more women in recon and intelligence gathering? If they need them and women want to do it and can pass the tests then fine. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.37pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Aug 17 4.37pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its not really about size, its about actually being a woman.

How much is this just your opinion? Are there any generals calling for more women in recon and intelligence gathering? If they need them and women want to do it and can pass the tests then fine.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 4.37pm)

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