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bexleydave Barnehurst 25 Jul 17 7.46am
Originally posted by Dan89 In this 3-4-3 taking Chelsea for example at club doing it well. First you need a goalie that can distribute well, a central centre back that acts as sweeper prepared to bring the ball out from the back. There's to many specialists positions in this formation that we currently haven't got. I agree, which begs the question, why would a manager. looking at our current squad, conclude that it's the ideal formation for us? I sincerely hope that we're not the subject of someone's vanity experiment. That article suggests that, apart from Chelsea, 3-4-3 has only been successfully deployed by Cruyff's Barcelona. Barcelona, Chelsea and Crystal Palace; with the best will in the world they're not three names you expect to hear in one sentence. Edited by bexleydave (25 Jul 2017 8.08am) Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 25 Jul 17 7.46am

Originally posted by Dan89

In this 3-4-3 taking Chelsea for example at club doing it well. First you need a goalie that can distribute well, a central centre back that acts as sweeper prepared to bring the ball out from the back. There's to many specialists positions in this formation that we currently haven't got.

I agree, which begs the question, why would a manager. looking at our current squad, conclude that it's the ideal formation for us? I sincerely hope that we're not the subject of someone's vanity experiment.

That article suggests that, apart from Chelsea, 3-4-3 has only been successfully deployed by Cruyff's Barcelona. Barcelona, Chelsea and Crystal Palace; with the best will in the world they're not three names you expect to hear in one sentence.

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Dan89 Se25 25 Jul 17 7.52am
Originally posted by bexleydave I agree, which begs the question, why would a manager. looking at out current squad, conclude that it's the ideal formation for us? I sincerely hope that we're not the subject of someone's vanity experiment. That article suggests that, apart from Chelsea, 3-4-3 has only been successfully deployed by Cruyff's Barcelona. Barcelona, Chelsea and Crystal Palace; with the best will in the world they're not three names you expect to hear in one sentence. I agree, we haven't even got a first eleven to do it successful, let alone if we had a similar injury problem to last season. We haven't got sufficient replacements, unless de Boer gonna be seriously backed in the market. Edited by Dan89 (25 Jul 2017 7.53am) Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football
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Se25 25 Jul 17 7.52am

Originally posted by bexleydave

I agree, which begs the question, why would a manager. looking at out current squad, conclude that it's the ideal formation for us? I sincerely hope that we're not the subject of someone's vanity experiment.

I agree, we haven't even got a first eleven to do it successful, let alone if we had a similar injury problem to last season. We haven't got sufficient replacements, unless de Boer gonna be seriously backed in the market.

Edited by Dan89 (25 Jul 2017 7.53am)

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Midlands Eagle 25 Jul 17 7.56am
Originally posted by bexleydave I agree, which begs the question, why would a manager. looking at out current squad, conclude that it's the ideal formation for us? I sincerely hope that we're not the subject of someone's vanity experiment. I would like to have been a fly on the wall during the initial discussions between SP and FdB
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Originally posted by bexleydave

I would like to have been a fly on the wall during the initial discussions between SP and FdB

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bexleydave Barnehurst 25 Jul 17 8.30am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I would like to have been a fly on the wall during the initial discussions between SP and FdB Indeed. I hope that there was more to it than two egos inebriated with the exuberance of their own verbosity (to slightly misquote someone or other). If you put the available evidence together, SP wants a more attractive style of football that also produces results (Pardew's transition, with nobs on, if you like). FdB says you have practically everything you need here already in your current squad and if you made better use of your academy, with a few low cost (i.e. young and unproven) additions. Now that would be music to SP's ears and would give FdB a chance to try to realise an ambition to repeat Cruyff's achievements with the 3-4-3 when at Barcelona. IF that's the case, it'll be fantastic if it works, but disastrous if it doesn't. Only time will tell, so I suppose we just sit back and see what happens Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 25 Jul 17 8.30am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I would like to have been a fly on the wall during the initial discussions between SP and FdB

Indeed. I hope that there was more to it than two egos inebriated with the exuberance of their own verbosity (to slightly misquote someone or other).

If you put the available evidence together, SP wants a more attractive style of football that also produces results (Pardew's transition, with nobs on, if you like). FdB says you have practically everything you need here already in your current squad and if you made better use of your academy, with a few low cost (i.e. young and unproven) additions.

Now that would be music to SP's ears and would give FdB a chance to try to realise an ambition to repeat Cruyff's achievements with the 3-4-3 when at Barcelona. IF that's the case, it'll be fantastic if it works, but disastrous if it doesn't. Only time will tell, so I suppose we just sit back and see what happens

Bexley Dave

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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 25 Jul 17 8.39am
You lads all seem to think that the 343 is rigid. It's not . It's fluid,when where up against it ,we will obviously be 541 or all back !!!! Frank will make us difficult to beat and will get the best out of Wilf,Christian and Andros. PS Chelsea changed there system after several defeats early last season. Enabling them to get the best out of Victor Moses. Palace 13th 2017/18.
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Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 25 Jul 17 8.39am

You lads all seem to think that the 343 is rigid.
It's not .
It's fluid,when where up against it ,we will obviously be 541 or all back !!!!
Frank will make us difficult to beat and will get the best out of Wilf,Christian and Andros.
PS Chelsea changed there system after several defeats early last season.
Enabling them to get the best out of Victor Moses.

Palace 13th 2017/18.

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Nobbybm Dartford 25 Jul 17 8.44am
Originally posted by alaneagle1 You lads all seem to think that the 343 is rigid. It's not . It's fluid,when where up against it ,we will obviously be 541 or all back !!!! Frank will make us difficult to beat and will get the best out of Wilf,Christian and Andros. PS Chelsea changed there system after several defeats early last season. Enabling them to get the best out of Victor Moses. This, hopefully. It seems to be how he turned things round at Ajax - sort out the defence & work from there. Clearly looking at flexibility trying a DM as CB & signing a CB that's comfortable playing DM. We might, for once, have something more than just a plan A to work with. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Dartford 25 Jul 17 8.44am

Originally posted by alaneagle1

This, hopefully.

It seems to be how he turned things round at Ajax - sort out the defence & work from there. Clearly looking at flexibility trying a DM as CB & signing a CB that's comfortable playing DM.

We might, for once, have something more than just a plan A to work with.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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steven_t92 Orpington 25 Jul 17 8.57am
Originally posted by Nobbybm This, hopefully. It seems to be how he turned things round at Ajax - sort out the defence & work from there. Clearly looking at flexibility trying a DM as CB & signing a CB that's comfortable playing DM. We might, for once, have something more than just a plan A to work with. Exactly, for the first time in years we have a plan B and people are complaining it's not our style. Make your minds up...
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Orpington 25 Jul 17 8.57am

Originally posted by Nobbybm

This, hopefully.

It seems to be how he turned things round at Ajax - sort out the defence & work from there. Clearly looking at flexibility trying a DM as CB & signing a CB that's comfortable playing DM.

We might, for once, have something more than just a plan A to work with.

Exactly, for the first time in years we have a plan B and people are complaining it's not our style. Make your minds up...

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rollercoaster Cornwall 25 Jul 17 10.12am
Really happy to hear FDB talk about working from the back. However all the talk of 3-4-3 really worries me. Happy to hear it might be possible, eventually. but I'm currently hearing a manager dogmatically sticking to a system he knows. Hope i'm wrong and there is more to FDB than that. Why am I always so nervous just before a season starts? Oh yes, that's it, I support Crystal Palace.
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Cornwall 25 Jul 17 10.12am

Really happy to hear FDB talk about working from the back. However all the talk of 3-4-3 really worries me. Happy to hear it might be possible, eventually. but I'm currently hearing a manager dogmatically sticking to a system he knows. Hope i'm wrong and there is more to FDB than that.

Why am I always so nervous just before a season starts? Oh yes, that's it, I support Crystal Palace.

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rossboss29 Portsmouth 25 Jul 17 11.01am
343 seems to be a bit fashionable, I think we are currently playing more 541
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Portsmouth 25 Jul 17 11.01am

343 seems to be a bit fashionable, I think we are currently playing more 541

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Goldfiinger Just down the road 25 Jul 17 11.43am
Originally posted by rollercoaster Really happy to hear FDB talk about working from the back. However all the talk of 3-4-3 really worries me. Happy to hear it might be possible, eventually. but I'm currently hearing a manager dogmatically sticking to a system he knows. Hope i'm wrong and there is more to FDB than that. Why am I always so nervous just before a season starts? Oh yes, that's it, I support Crystal Palace. The system he's always played and managed is actually 4-3-3. Which he says we'd be ok at but that he'd like us to learn 3-4-3 as he thinks this will be better for us. So unfortunately he's not actually sticking to his guns but trying to build a team that actually has TWO options. How long have we been crying out for that..?
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Just down the road 25 Jul 17 11.43am

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Why am I always so nervous just before a season starts? Oh yes, that's it, I support Crystal Palace.

The system he's always played and managed is actually 4-3-3. Which he says we'd be ok at but that he'd like us to learn 3-4-3 as he thinks this will be better for us.

So unfortunately he's not actually sticking to his guns but trying to build a team that actually has TWO options.

How long have we been crying out for that..?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jul 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by bexleydave I agree, which begs the question, why would a manager. looking at our current squad, conclude that it's the ideal formation for us? I sincerely hope that we're not the subject of someone's vanity experiment. That article suggests that, apart from Chelsea, 3-4-3 has only been successfully deployed by Cruyff's Barcelona. Barcelona, Chelsea and Crystal Palace; with the best will in the world they're not three names you expect to hear in one sentence. Edited by bexleydave (25 Jul 2017 8.08am) This is what concerns me and vanity project or advertisement hopefully isn't what it is. COYP
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Caterham 25 Jul 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

Edited by bexleydave (25 Jul 2017 8.08am)

This is what concerns me and vanity project or advertisement hopefully isn't what it is.

COYP

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Dan89 Se25 26 Jul 17 8.32am
I think what de Boer wants is a formation that can interchange Can play 3-4-3 and can easily transform into 4-3-3 Maybe this is why he's playing Townsend as a wingback, not ideal but without making subs , it can be 4-3-3. This is why I think a signing like Chambers instead of ward is ideal. Hennessy Ward (Rcb) Dann Riedewald (Lcb) Townsend (rwb) PVA (Lwb) Luka. (Cm) Cabaye (cm) Puncheon (LF) Zaha (RF) Benteke (st) That can easily play 4-3-3 with the same personnel Hennessy Ward (rb) Dann. (Cb) Riedewald (cb) PVA (Lb) Luka (cm) Cabaye (cm) Puncheon (cm) Townsend (Rw) Zaha. (Lw) Benteke (st) Thoughts Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football
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Se25 26 Jul 17 8.32am

I think what de Boer wants is a formation that can interchange

Can play 3-4-3 and can easily transform into 4-3-3

Maybe this is why he's playing Townsend as a wingback, not ideal but without making subs , it can be 4-3-3. This is why I think a signing like Chambers instead of ward is ideal.

Hennessy
Ward (Rcb)
Dann
Riedewald (Lcb)
Townsend (rwb)
PVA (Lwb)
Luka. (Cm)
Cabaye (cm)
Puncheon (LF)
Zaha (RF)
Benteke (st)

That can easily play 4-3-3 with the same personnel

Hennessy
Ward (rb)
Dann. (Cb)
Riedewald (cb)
PVA (Lb)
Luka (cm)
Cabaye (cm)
Puncheon (cm)
Townsend (Rw)
Zaha. (Lw)
Benteke (st)

Thoughts

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