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Jonny "Joniesta" Williams
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 bexleydave  Barnehurst 29 May 17 11.35am |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
I don't see why people are so quick to say that Williams isn't good enough when he hasn't had a run of games in the premier league. For me he was pretty good for Wales in the Euros and was quality for us when we were in the championship. I hope he can have an injury free season so we can judge him properly. I personally think he could do well for us but he needs a chance to show if he is good enough or not He hasn't been rated by a series of managers since we've been in the PL and has therefore been out on loan to Championship clubs for the majority of the time that he hasn't been on the treatment table. If he hasn't made the breakthrough at his age, he's never going to. Would we consider signing him, to take up a place in the 25, if he wasn't "one of our own"? His time at Palace is over and he needs to move on with his career elsewhere and all the best to him.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 May 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
He hasn't been rated by a series of managers since we've been in the PL and has therefore been out on loan to Championship clubs for the majority of the time that he hasn't been on the treatment table. If he hasn't made the breakthrough at his age, he's never going to. Would we consider signing him, to take up a place in the 25, if he wasn't "one of our own"? His time at Palace is over and he needs to move on with his career elsewhere and all the best to him. Yes I am in total agreement.
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| Username Horsham 29 May 17 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
I don't see why people are so quick to say that Williams isn't good enough when he hasn't had a run of games in the premier league. For me he was pretty good for Wales in the Euros and was quality for us when we were in the championship. I hope he can have an injury free season so we can judge him properly. I personally think he could do well for us but he needs a chance to show if he is good enough or not Was he? He was generally behind Mortiz, Garvan and Dobbie in the pecking order in an attacking role and didn't contribute as much as those three did. I can't think of a single game where he put in a MOTM performance or really dazzled?
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| Username Horsham 29 May 17 11.40am |
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Originally posted by collier row eagle
Would love to see him get a run out in some friendlies, he is palace through and through, whether he can hack it in the premier league is yet to be established, would like to think he could earn a place on the bench maybe. I'd argue that whether he can hack it in the Championship is still up for debate. Before his injury last season he wasn't playing particularly regularly for Ipswich, mostly off the bench.
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Mwncisee  Middlesbrough 29 May 17 11.41am |
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I've said in the past and stand by it now, timing worked against Joniesta. If we hadn't got promoted from the Championship when we did I think he would have featured in Palace's lineup in 2013-2014, coupled with the timing, frequency and severity of his injuries I'm afraid fate worked against him and I think he will go down as a `what if` story for Palace like Bostock. I'm afraid for his own good he needs to move on to pastures new.
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| sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 29 May 17 11.50am |
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Originally posted by Mwncisee
I've said in the past and stand by it now, timing worked against Joniesta. If we hadn't got promoted from the Championship when we did I think he would have featured in Palace's lineup in 2013-2014, coupled with the timing, frequency and severity of his injuries I'm afraid fate worked against him and I think he will go down as a `what if` story for Palace like Bostock. I'm afraid for his own good he needs to move on to pastures new. Pretty much nailed it there.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 29 May 17 11.58am |
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i would much rather have a local academy graduates like williams & kai kai on the bench than the wasters we have had for the last few seasons... campbell / lee / mutch / sako / guerdoura / remy all if those players earnt a small fortune and never made any significant contribution to the club.
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| eaglesmy1 slough 29 May 17 12.12pm |
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IMO hes the only player from the remainder of the team that went up that hasn't developed at all, his career has stood still, was injured loads barely getting games off the bench in the championship 5 years ago and it's the same now. Should have tried to sell him after the euros when we could have got a few mill. Looked promising when he came through but he's never going to make any mark on the first team now.
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| Username Horsham 29 May 17 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
i would much rather have a local academy graduates like williams & kai kai on the bench than the wasters we have had for the last few seasons... campbell / lee / mutch / sako / guerdoura / remy all if those players earnt a small fortune and never made any significant contribution to the club. To be fair Campbell, Lee and Sako all chipped in with a big goal or assist that helped win or draw a game at some point in the last two seasons. This season Campbell scored the equaliser away at Hull, while Lee provided the assist for Benteke's winner at Sunderland which were both crucial. Remy was a gamble with a huge upside just that didn't pay off, but I still think was worth making considering what he could have added. Guedioura and Mutch, yeah not so much.
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| Shifty97 Croydon 02 Jun 17 11.32am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
He hasn't been rated by a series of managers since we've been in the PL and has therefore been out on loan to Championship clubs for the majority of the time that he hasn't been on the treatment table. If he hasn't made the breakthrough at his age, he's never going to. Would we consider signing him, to take up a place in the 25, if he wasn't "one of our own"? His time at Palace is over and he needs to move on with his career elsewhere and all the best to him. I do agree with the first half of what you say, however I feel as though he wasn't able to get a consistent run of games due to the amount of time he spends on the treatment table leading to lack of match fitness and also because of managers changing and not really knowing much about him. This is why I think he should be given a chance in pre season or a cup game. But I'm probably in the minority there
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| Shifty97 Croydon 02 Jun 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Username
Was he? He was generally behind Mortiz, Garvan and Dobbie in the pecking order in an attacking role and didn't contribute as much as those three did. I can't think of a single game where he put in a MOTM performance or really dazzled? At the start of the 12/13 season he was but towards the end he wasn't really behind any of them apart from Garvan in some games. In my opinion he did have an impact in a lot of games and although he didn't score, I felt that he was able to have a positve effect in games with his link up play.
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| PaddyMcPaddy 02 Jun 17 11.51am |
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I remember him coming on in a game against Coventry and changing the game. He came on in the 80th odd minute, when we were 1-0 down and we won 2-1, think he set both up or at least had a hand in both. Originally posted by Shifty97
At the start of the 12/13 season he was but towards the end he wasn't really behind any of them apart from Garvan in some games. In my opinion he did have an impact in a lot of games and although he didn't score, I felt that he was able to have a positve effect in games with his link up play.
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