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Alex1991 Flag Ashford 27 Apr 17 12.15am Send a Private Message to Alex1991 Add Alex1991 as a friend

What frustrated me was that he pulled Wanyama over with the captain. My Dad (who I'm starting to suspect is Willo), suggested that Moss was warning him that had the tackle been slightly later, he would have been going, or to tell the captain to calm him down. As far as I'm concerned the yellow card is your warning, when you get that booking you should be spoken to and after that you're on your own. Surely giving them a second warning is an advantage to that side ?

The muppets on Talksport were saying that we didn't lose because of the referee, and that is spot on. But had the referee performed correctly our chances of getting a result would have gone up and it may have been different.

 


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chateauferret Flag 27 Apr 17 12.23am

Originally posted by dicky boy

Barring all the blatant bolox that Moss decided not to reprimand,the one thing that totally won it for me that Moss was on orders,or just basically bottled it was when Delli booted the ball into the whitehorse after he blew his whistle,but yet did not produce a yellow .......BUT However when Wilfy gets taken out again and throws the ball down due to not getting the foul,the tosspot Moss dishes out a yellow to Wilf.....

Did you not see Alli throw himself face down in the six-yard box? I've lost count of the yellow cards we've received for simulation when we've either actually been fouled or simply gone to ground by accident. Wilf, McArthur, Benteke, and that's just in the last few games. (Oh and it's funny how it's suddenly not a penalty when Benteke isn't wearing an all red strip any more).

It's all so obvious now it's really shameless.

Edited by chateauferret (27 Apr 2017 12.23am)

 


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LegalEagle2010 Flag 27 Apr 17 1.14am Send a Private Message to LegalEagle2010 Add LegalEagle2010 as a friend

My view is, and this may be naive (though I don't think it is), that refs in this country do not make decisions deliberately (i.e. Corruptly). Further, by accusing refs of that or going down that road to some extent at least, weakens any valid argument a football fan might have about bias because you look like a foil-hatted conspiracy theorist.

What I do think though, is that officiating like Moss today is an example of a more subtle, underlying bias. The analogy I employ, and it's an analogy I use purely for illustrative purposes and in no way compare the two - clearly - as equally important, is the difference between overt racism or sexism (such as an explicit slur); and the more subtle, insidious discrimination that certain groups will experience (such as not getting an interview because of your name or not being taken seriously in a meeting because of your sex).

I do not think that officials deliberately do not give us the decisions that they should. But I do think there is a subconscious / inherent bias that makes them instinctively too scared or too slow to make the big decisions against an opposition club who are bigger than us.

The different standards applied to bookings is something that I have really noticed this season. Did Moss cost us the game? Not really. Would it have been different if Spurs had ten men and other players were on a yellow? Inevitably.

When people like Mourinho moan about the odd offside goal (say) decision that goes against them, what they do not realise is how pervasive and constant the little decisions that go against the smaller clubs are.

... none of this makes it any easier to swallow of course ...

 

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Alex1991 Flag Ashford 27 Apr 17 1.19am Send a Private Message to Alex1991 Add Alex1991 as a friend

Originally posted by LegalEagle2010

My view is, and this may be naive (though I don't think it is), that refs in this country do not make decisions deliberately (i.e. Corruptly). Further, by accusing refs of that or going down that road to some extent at least, weakens any valid argument a football fan might have about bias because you look like a foil-hatted conspiracy theorist.

What I do think though, is that officiating like Moss today is an example of a more subtle, underlying bias. The analogy I employ, and it's an analogy I use purely for illustrative purposes and in no way compare the two - clearly - as equally important, is the difference between overt racism or sexism (such as an explicit slur); and the more subtle, insidious discrimination that certain groups will experience (such as not getting an interview because of your name or not being taken seriously in a meeting because of your sex).

I do not think that officials deliberately do not give us the decisions that they should. But I do think there is a subconscious / inherent bias that makes them instinctively too scared or too slow to make the big decisions against an opposition club who are bigger than us.

The different standards applied to bookings is something that I have really noticed this season. Did Moss cost us the game? Not really. Would it have been different if Spurs had ten men and other players were on a yellow? Inevitably.

When people like Mourinho moan about the odd offside goal (say) decision that goes against them, what they do not realise is how pervasive and constant the little decisions that go against the smaller clubs are.

... none of this makes it any easier to swallow of course ...

Very good points. The lack of consistency is so obvious. People don't complain about refs for no reason.

As an example, how many times this season have we been able to say that one of our boys was lucky not to get a second yellow or give away a penalty. How many times have we been able to say it against other teams. I can think of 4 right now and there undoubtedly a lot more.

 


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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 27 Apr 17 2.52am Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

I only was able to watch the last 30 minutes so so I can't comment on anything that happened before that. I did see video of the Sakho injury and it appeared that he overstretched his leg trying to tackle the pall, got his studs stuck and twisted his knee badly. As for the second Wyanma foul (also seen on video), Moss has a rather unfortunate habit of giving players on a yellow a second chance. I don't think he is the most decisive of refs and I'm not at all impressed with the way he keeps up with play. I believe that officiating standards are far lower than they were 20-30 years ago, especially in England. The result, unfortunately IMHO, will be the introduction of video review. This will lengthen matches because the review officials will want every possible angle at varying speeds (regualr to frame by frame) before making a ruling. We will risk double digit stoppage time additions at the end of halves. Putting two refs on the pitch was tried over here and the result was "Alphonse and Gaston" officiating, as in "You call it. No you call it." The result was so pathetic it was funny

I would like to see more training and better evaluation of officials I would also like commentators and pundits to learn the laws. There is far too much opinion in the commentary box and not enough knowledge. Of course, many of the same commentators who criticize decisions start out by saying "Who would want to be a referee?".

 


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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 27 Apr 17 3.25am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Hope at least this made Zaha aware of his next destination. No way he is leaving us for Spuds after this horror show staged by that clown Jon Moss.

 

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MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 27 Apr 17 9.22am Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

It's not even shocking anymore , Arsenal , Man U and now Spurs , all have immunity from having players sent off against us.

It was so blatant and embarrassing last night that Spurs had to to take off two of their worst offenders at half time to save Moss from having to dish out even more totally ineffective so called warnings.

 

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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 27 Apr 17 9.55am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

It's the inconsistency of it all.

I don't mind a ref giving a verbal warning, in fact I applaud it. However it did seem to be that Spurs players were given verbal warnings, ignored the warning and continued fouling without punishment. In a way you could hardly blame the Spurs players as they knew they were going to get away with it.

Palace had three yellow cards (amazingly the same number as Spurs) yet I can't remember any of our players getting a verbal warning before picking up a card.

 


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Uphill Flag Bedford 27 Apr 17 10.31am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Here we go again.
It seems each time we lose the man to blame is the ref.
True he made some questionable decisions (they all do) but do you blame him for their goal/our almost complete lack of attacking flair/all the balls in the air/that they had at least two, often three marking Zaha?
We have had the benefit of dubious decisions in our favour in the last half dozen games.
Take the rough with the smooth, it usually balances out over a season.

 

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chateauferret Flag 27 Apr 17 11.31am

Originally posted by Uphill

Here we go again.
It seems each time we lose the man to blame is the ref.
True he made some questionable decisions (they all do) but do you blame him for their goal/our almost complete lack of attacking flair/all the balls in the air/that they had at least two, often three marking Zaha?
We have had the benefit of dubious decisions in our favour in the last half dozen games.
Take the rough with the smooth, it usually balances out over a season.

Well you can certainly blame him for the last of those three because they should have been ten men for the whole of the second half. Yes, we may still have lost, but at least it would have been fair and square.

We may have benefited from a couple of dubious decisions lately but we have also been penalised with a whole series of absolutely ridiculous ones.

 


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cpj Flag Kent 27 Apr 17 11.39am Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Although the officials were very poor last night, if you look at Wanyama's second challenge, it does look as though Townsend copied Moses' dive for Chelsea on Saturday and was going down before he got to the player.

 

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chateauferret Flag 27 Apr 17 11.54am

Originally posted by cpj

Although the officials were very poor last night, if you look at Wanyama's second challenge, it does look as though Townsend copied Moses' dive for Chelsea on Saturday and was going down before he got to the player.

If the ref thought that then WTF was he doing giving Townsend a free kick and inviting Wanyama over for a disciplinary drink?

 


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