What crap you spout, Michael.

You know full well that far more than '1%' of Muslims believe in a doctrine that is at odds with what you believe in as Liberal.

I was watching Bill Maher earlier, hardly an 'alt right' commentator, who gave a stat that 18% of Indonesians believed in honour killings. 18% of the Worlds most populous Muslim country believe in killing rape victims. How many believe gays are 'abominations'? I bet it's not the fabled '1%' you claim are responsible for giving Islam a bad name.

I agree with Maher that until liberals like yourselves start holding Muslims to account for their views, and stick up for liberalism, then you are just a bunch of hypocrites, using so-called 'Islamophobia' to try and demean your political opponents.

To the both of yous - Wahhabism - that's ISIS, AlQaeda, etc, You know, the ones that want to kill all infidels and have an 'Islamic' planet, and financed and promoted by Saudi Arabia, is a fanatical religious cult followed by less than 1% of all Muslims. Worry about them and not the other 99%. The latter aren't going to bomb you or run you over in London.

It's simply incredible when you hear this argument.

To try to compare Christian fundamentalism to Islamic fundamentalism is idiotic....The scale of the problem for one makes the whole discussion ridiculous.... Maybe hundreds of years ago there would be a point..Maybe then we could discuss it...But today? Why would anyone attempt such a thing?...unless they were an apologetic or in cloud cuckoo land.

Notice any any Christians driving trucks over children lately? Noticed loads of beheadings from Christians?

Christian fundamentalism is a pain and the very occasional nutter attacks abolition clinics but Christian fundamentalism isn't worrying people in the city when they go to work in the morning. Christian fundamentalism isn't why our security services are stretched to the hilt and being paid record amounts of taxpayer's money to try to stop attacks.

The fundamentalists throwing people off rooftops aren't Christians and any comparison is beyond rational.

I was thinking of a hypothetic situation in which the roles were reversed, eg the USa was predominantly islamic and Syria was Christian. If this happened I was suggesting that fundamentalist christians may act in a similar way to how fundamentalist muslims are behaving.

Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.

Hubert Reeves

That'll be down to what's termed as the bystander effect and is not confined to one particular section of any society:

The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological phenomenon that refers to cases in which individuals do not offer any means of help to a victim when other people are present. The probability of help is inversely related to the number of bystanders. In other words, the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help. Several variables help to explain why the bystander effect occurs. These variables include: ambiguity, cohesiveness and diffusion of responsibility

That'll go someway to explaining. One imagines it is closely linked in psychology with mob rule.
I'm sure someone can enlighten us.

I think there is something to what you say there when it comes to radical Islam. It's actually an interesting thing to think about. So you have my apologies for my initial ranty irritation. Obviously on mass, humans are essentially the same...it's the imperatives within the cultures that create the differences.

I have problems with all mainstream religions but the tenets of Islam make it the least appealing of the majority ones.

However, while I have issues with mainstream Islam...it most definitely isn't radical Islam, so it's a different discussion really.

I'm not that concerned about religions or people who get along with others....That's still the vast majority within Islam.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2017 9.46pm)