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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 17 2.17pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Of course common sense exists. Whereas philosophy is often deficient in common sense, and is in many cases pure gibberish and nonsense - it can make religion appear in contrast, reasonable and logical. Where does common sense exist? How is philosophy deficient in common sense, given its reliance on experience? Any what do you mean by philosophy is deficient in common sense. Are you referring to a specific philosophical movement, or the notion of utilising logical interrogation of existence? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Mar 17 2.17pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Of course common sense exists. Whereas philosophy is often deficient in common sense, and is in many cases pure gibberish and nonsense - it can make religion appear in contrast, reasonable and logical.

Where does common sense exist? How is philosophy deficient in common sense, given its reliance on experience?

Any what do you mean by philosophy is deficient in common sense. Are you referring to a specific philosophical movement, or the notion of utilising logical interrogation of existence?

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Mar 17 2.21pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I prefer ethics to morality, which tends to be based on the idea of a truth - That said there are clearly minimal laws of behaviour that are required for society to operate. Truthfully I have never fully understood the difference. Ethics are often a predetermined code that can be official where as morality is a more free flowing thing but beyond that, one involves the other does it not?
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I prefer ethics to morality, which tends to be based on the idea of a truth - That said there are clearly minimal laws of behaviour that are required for society to operate.

Truthfully I have never fully understood the difference.

Ethics are often a predetermined code that can be official where as morality is a more free flowing thing but beyond that, one involves the other does it not?

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 09 Mar 17 2.32pm
Originally posted by 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug Can't believe it's taken this long. Must be a record for 'Hol' " Would " [ her ] She is proper ugly. First thing i thought was christ the baby is going to be ugly. Their laws out their are so ridiculas and its more to do with upsetting them than breaking the law. There are lots of Clubs and Bars where you can meet women and take them home. You can even get prostitutes in some places and i have wintenessed women doing all sorts of things out there. If you behave yourself and dont upset the taxi drivers you can do what you want.
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Carparks in South East London 09 Mar 17 2.32pm

Originally posted by 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug

Can't believe it's taken this long.

Must be a record for 'Hol'

" Would " [ her ]

She is proper ugly. First thing i thought was christ the baby is going to be ugly.

Their laws out their are so ridiculas and its more to do with upsetting them than breaking the law. There are lots of Clubs and Bars where you can meet women and take them home. You can even get prostitutes in some places and i have wintenessed women doing all sorts of things out there. If you behave yourself and dont upset the taxi drivers you can do what you want.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Mar 17 2.48pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Where does common sense exist? How is philosophy deficient in common sense, given its reliance on experience? Any what do you mean by philosophy is deficient in common sense. Are you referring to a specific philosophical movement, or the notion of utilising logical interrogation of existence? What do you mean by where does it exist. It is a mode of thinking, making sound and prudent judgements based on situations or facts. An example of philosophy lacking in common sense is Berkeley's notion that material things do not exist, it is all in our minds. Try jumping in front of a non-material train to test that one out. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 09 Mar 17 2.48pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Where does common sense exist? How is philosophy deficient in common sense, given its reliance on experience?

Any what do you mean by philosophy is deficient in common sense. Are you referring to a specific philosophical movement, or the notion of utilising logical interrogation of existence?

What do you mean by where does it exist. It is a mode of thinking, making sound and prudent judgements based on situations or facts.

An example of philosophy lacking in common sense is Berkeley's notion that material things do not exist, it is all in our minds. Try jumping in front of a non-material train to test that one out.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Part Time James 09 Mar 17 3.26pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What do you mean by where does it exist. It is a mode of thinking, making sound and prudent judgements based on situations or facts. An example of philosophy lacking in common sense is Berkeley's notion that material things do not exist, it is all in our minds. Try jumping in front of a non-material train to test that one out. Quick caveat here for those of you that are more impressionable. Please do not jump in front of a train. I have to get trains and they are bad enough as it is.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

What do you mean by where does it exist. It is a mode of thinking, making sound and prudent judgements based on situations or facts.

An example of philosophy lacking in common sense is Berkeley's notion that material things do not exist, it is all in our minds. Try jumping in front of a non-material train to test that one out.

Quick caveat here for those of you that are more impressionable. Please do not jump in front of a train.

I have to get trains and they are bad enough as it is.

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matt_himself Matataland 09 Mar 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Do you believe that Islamic defined law is reasonable? This is all a bit unusual Answering a question with another question. Top debating. The fact is that you should respect local laws when abroad, just as we expect people to respect our laws when they visit the UK. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 09 Mar 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Do you believe that Islamic defined law is reasonable? This is all a bit unusual

Answering a question with another question. Top debating.

The fact is that you should respect local laws when abroad, just as we expect people to respect our laws when they visit the UK.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What do you mean by where does it exist. It is a mode of thinking, making sound and prudent judgements based on situations or facts. So it exists as a process of thought. How do you adjudicate that the judgements made are sound and prudent, or that your interpretation of situations and facts is reliable? Originally posted by hedgehog50 An example of philosophy lacking in common sense is Berkeley's notion that material things do not exist, it is all in our minds. Try jumping in front of a non-material train to test that one out. No one holds that Berkley's subjective idealism is totally real, however much of his work in terms of perception and qualities (primary and secondary) are quite influential on modern thought. Of course objects exist outside the mind. Of course for you to project the idea of common sense as real, and then ridicule Berkley is a contradiction, because he would have presented that common sense exists as 'real thing' (or at least as real as an object). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Mar 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What do you mean by where does it exist. It is a mode of thinking, making sound and prudent judgements based on situations or facts.

So it exists as a process of thought. How do you adjudicate that the judgements made are sound and prudent, or that your interpretation of situations and facts is reliable?

Originally posted by hedgehog50
An example of philosophy lacking in common sense is Berkeley's notion that material things do not exist, it is all in our minds. Try jumping in front of a non-material train to test that one out.

No one holds that Berkley's subjective idealism is totally real, however much of his work in terms of perception and qualities (primary and secondary) are quite influential on modern thought. Of course objects exist outside the mind.

Of course for you to project the idea of common sense as real, and then ridicule Berkley is a contradiction, because he would have presented that common sense exists as 'real thing' (or at least as real as an object).

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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 17 3.53pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Answering a question with another question. Top debating. The fact is that you should respect local laws when abroad, just as we expect people to respect our laws when they visit the UK. What I meant is that its a bit of a reversal of the usual situations. I quite agree and you are right, we should respect the laws of other countries when we're there, even if its wrong, if only to avoid incarceration and trouble. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Mar 17 3.53pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Answering a question with another question. Top debating.

The fact is that you should respect local laws when abroad, just as we expect people to respect our laws when they visit the UK.

What I meant is that its a bit of a reversal of the usual situations. I quite agree and you are right, we should respect the laws of other countries when we're there, even if its wrong, if only to avoid incarceration and trouble.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 17 3.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Truthfully I have never fully understood the difference. Ethics are often a predetermined code that can be official where as morality is a more free flowing thing but beyond that, one involves the other does it not? Reference.com defines Morality is understanding the distinction between right and wrong and living according to that understanding, and ethics is the philosophy of how that morality guides individual and group behavior. The two are closely related, with morality being the foundation of ethics. Morals tend towards absolutes, what you must do, as opposed to ethics which is what you strive to do. To borrow from NCIS! A moral man won't beat his wife, and an ethical man knows why its wrong to beat women. Edited by jamiemartin721 (09 Mar 2017 3.59pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 09 Mar 17 3.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Truthfully I have never fully understood the difference.

Ethics are often a predetermined code that can be official where as morality is a more free flowing thing but beyond that, one involves the other does it not?

Reference.com defines

Morality is understanding the distinction between right and wrong and living according to that understanding, and ethics is the philosophy of how that morality guides individual and group behavior. The two are closely related, with morality being the foundation of ethics.

Morals tend towards absolutes, what you must do, as opposed to ethics which is what you strive to do.

To borrow from NCIS! A moral man won't beat his wife, and an ethical man knows why its wrong to beat women.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (09 Mar 2017 3.59pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Mar 17 4.10pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Reference.com defines Morality is understanding the distinction between right and wrong and living according to that understanding, and ethics is the philosophy of how that morality guides individual and group behavior. The two are closely related, with morality being the foundation of ethics. Morals tend towards absolutes, what you must do, as opposed to ethics which is what you strive to do. To borrow from NCIS! A moral man won't beat his wife, and an ethical man knows why its wrong to beat women. Edited by jamiemartin721 (09 Mar 2017 3.59pm)
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09 Mar 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Reference.com defines

Morals tend towards absolutes, what you must do, as opposed to ethics which is what you strive to do.

To borrow from NCIS! A moral man won't beat his wife, and an ethical man knows why its wrong to beat women.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (09 Mar 2017 3.59pm)

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thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 09 Mar 17 4.11pm
bit of a typical daily mail type story which they have pinched from other newspapers, what relevance does it have to us? a south african & ukranian arrested in abu dhabi? Sometimes I set out for Ludlow Sometimes I end up in Chepstow
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bit of a typical daily mail type story which they have pinched from other newspapers, what relevance does it have to us? a south african & ukranian arrested in abu dhabi?

Sometimes I set out for Ludlow
Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Mar 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is starting to sound a little like snobbery. It rater suggests that ethics require a greater understanding than pure morality. I suppose the key question is, can something be ethical but not moral or something moral but not ethical? An example of either might provide the answer as to a difference.
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09 Mar 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is starting to sound a little like snobbery.

It rater suggests that ethics require a greater understanding than pure morality.
I suppose the key question is, can something be ethical but not moral or something moral but not ethical?
An example of either might provide the answer as to a difference.

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