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Allardyce's nadir?
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 Medway Eagle  Whitstable Kent 16 Jan 17 10.13pm |
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WiIlo your correct he did join Sunderland in October, And Sunderland were in a far worse position than we are. And he did get out of trouble in the last 6 games of the season, After 32 games Sunderland were on 25 points and were still in the bottom 3 as they had been all season, they stayed up by gathering 12 points in the last 6 games. Lets all get off of Sams & Steve Parishes back and see how things go after the window I Originally posted by Willo
Maybe he thinks now that Sunderland wasn't as hard as what he faces now ! At Sunderland he had Defoe whose 15 PL goals were hugely influential in keeping the up.Up front he also had Fletcher and Borini.He brought in a centre-half in Kone, a defensive midfielder in Kirchoff who can also play in defence and another midfielder Khazri who has excellent delivery at set-pieces and corners and gained a reputation for this in France. I re-iterate, he joined Sunderland in October so had time to assess his players before the January 'Transfer Window'.
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| Petereagle Brockley 17 Jan 17 1.36am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Parish did make a mistake in failing to see the writing was on the wall for Pardew last May and he certainly should have acted after the Swansea away result, but I suspect that he would acknowledge that himself. I don't go along with the 'core player' argument; Bolasie wanted out, Jedinak had become a fringe player and Gayle wasn't favoured by four managers. Benteke was potentially a great signing and still would be with decent service in the right formation. Remy was a risk, due to his injury record, but is starting to look very good. Townsend is an arse and needs to be told to get on the left and start putting some crosses in or fcuk off. Flamini could be important influence if used well. It's not necessarily too late for Allardyce to turn things around. He's still got two weeks of this window left and then he needs a few weeks to get the team playing the way he wants and for his coaching team to have an effect. No one can undo the damage that Pardew did to confidence and fitness in a few weeks. So yes, on balance SP should have acted quicker, but I do see why he was unwilling to do so. All is not lost until we're mathematically down, and until we are, I'm not giving up hope of a revival. Bravo Dave
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| Maine Eagle USA 17 Jan 17 6.35pm |
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Now I know my OP was way off as Jordan is agreeing with me!!!
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| Bangell Oxford 17 Jan 17 6.46pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Now I know my OP was way off as Jordan is agreeing with me!!! Jordan has access to no more information than you do; he's merely saying Allardyce looks depressed in his press conferences. I don't think it's because he's come back to management too soon - I think it's because he's realising just what a mess this team is.
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ParchmoreEagle  Belair 18 Jan 17 7.35am |
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Ever since TP's first transfer window Parish has shown his tendency to 'dither'. We escaped on sheer luck for three seasons and if we escape this time with SA it will be luck again. I like and admire SP, but if there's one new year's resolution I want for him, it's to be faster with his decision-making.
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| Maine Eagle USA 18 Jan 17 10.05am |
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Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle
Ever since TP's first transfer window Parish has shown his tendency to 'dither'. We escaped on sheer luck for three seasons and if we escape this time with SA it will be luck again. I like and admire SP, but if there's one new year's resolution I want for him, it's to be faster with his decision-making. Yeh agreed, we dont want a Deadly Doug kneejerk type but we have the anti-Jordan in place currently. We need to be way more decisive moving forward with the big decisions. There is not a single other premier league chairman who would have given AP so much rope to hang himself with.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jan 17 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Yeh agreed, we dont want a Deadly Doug kneejerk type but we have the anti-Jordan in place currently. We need to be way more decisive moving forward with the big decisions. There is not a single other premier league chairman who would have given AP so much rope to hang himself with. Maybe if it was someone other than 'Super Al' he wouldn't have been given such a long time.
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chateauferret  18 Jan 17 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Maybe if it was someone other than 'Super Al' he wouldn't have been given such a long time. No. Warnock was bad for about three months and then he was out on his arse. And he was merely bad, whereas Pardew was f****** s****. Edited by chateauferret (18 Jan 2017 10.14am)
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| Maine Eagle USA 18 Jan 17 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Maybe if it was someone other than 'Super Al' he wouldn't have been given such a long time. Holloway had to beg to get fired...
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| alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 18 Jan 17 10.49am |
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Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle
Ever since TP's first transfer window Parish has shown his tendency to 'dither'. We escaped on sheer luck for three seasons and if we escape this time with SA it will be luck again. I like and admire SP, but if there's one new year's resolution I want for him, it's to be faster with his decision-making. Absolute rubbish.Luck FFS. SP has backed all the Managers and given them time. What I saw last night was Townsend on the LEFT and getting in good crosses for BENTEKE. Give him service and he will score. Managers nowadays take to much of the blame,the players need to stand up and be counted. Our lads have made to many schoolboy errors. Eradicate those and we will be fine. Big decision for Sam Saturday is Wayne or Jules.
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| si_1967 Surrey 18 Jan 17 11.07am |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Parish did make a mistake in failing to see the writing was on the wall for Pardew last May and he certainly should have acted after the Swansea away result, but I suspect that he would acknowledge that himself. I don't go along with the 'core player' argument; Bolasie wanted out, Jedinak had become a fringe player and Gayle wasn't favoured by four managers. Benteke was potentially a great signing and still would be with decent service in the right formation. Remy was a risk, due to his injury record, but is starting to look very good. Townsend is an arse and needs to be told to get on the left and start putting some crosses in or fcuk off. Flamini could be important influence if used well. It's not necessarily too late for Allardyce to turn things around. He's still got two weeks of this window left and then he needs a few weeks to get the team playing the way he wants and for his coaching team to have an effect. No one can undo the damage that Pardew did to confidence and fitness in a few weeks. So yes, on balance SP should have acted quicker, but I do see why he was unwilling to do so. All is not lost until we're mathematically down, and until we are, I'm not giving up hope of a revival. I like this response, very balanced and reasonably thought out.
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| Midlands Eagle 18 Jan 17 11.22am |
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Originally posted by si_1967
I would say Jedinak's influence would have been useful to Pardew this season and I believe it was a mistake to let him go. (But then Pards made many arrogance-based mistakes that have led us to this point. The treatments of Speroni, Murray and Gayle all spring to mind) I presume that your definition of "arrogance" is someone who has an opinion different to yours. What was Pardew's treatment of Gayle that you are complaining about. Do you mean not playing him like all the other Palace managers that had him in their squad. Also what was arrogant about selling a centre forward who subsequently couldn't command a place in the team he was sold to and eventually found his level again in the Championship
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