Completely correct. Self-fulfilling. So we're on a terrible run, injuries to key players, confidence shot, new manager, as a fan what do you do, try your best to support the club? No. clearly the better idea is to shout, swear, call the players c***s and suddenly pretend you know best.

I'd rather a half empty stadium of positive fans than a bunch of moody t***s that don't have a clue about football beaking off because they've got nothing interesting going on in their lives due to the fact they were born without brains.

I've got nothing against a bit of a grumble but it's gone too far, and it's been like this for a while. They can collectively do one. Fair weather helmets. Negativity never got anyone anywhere in life. Well maybe Victor Meldrew but even he isn't real.

(By the way the 'you' is not implying you are one of those fans )

I have been supporting Palace since 1964 and last night, with Wilf's goal the clear exception - whose skills we won't have for another month now, it was a truly, truly abysmal performance, and I remember the days of our playing in the then Third Division which were fecking awful.

The atmosphere before the start of the game was flat. The laughable flickering lights as the team comes on makes for nothing but derision. The team is uninspiring despite the money spent on it. The core of the team which brought us up has been dismantled and quite possibly will not be replaced for another 2 or 3 seasons, if then.

People criticising individual players are always in grounds. Several seasons ago I heard one bloke having a go at Danny Butterfield, only for Butts to turn round and give him a mouthful back. It's part of football and always has been.

On the basis of last night's efforts I think Keith Millen should take a team of "reserve" squad and U23 players to Bolton and play as best they can, because let's face it they cannot do any worse. That would give the Fat Controller ten days to drill into the principle squad players the defensive qualities needed and we used to have.

Then move on from there.

Highly unlikely.

99% of the fans agreed that Pardew was taking us down and the same percentage also agreed that although the football may not be as attractive Allardyce would at least keep us up.

It's not working yet but a few decent buys in this transfer window so that we can drop those too shellshocked to play effectively and we should start to pick up some points