The only commentss Willo will concede to are > I won't be bullied into this hogwash of an argument, that is all i have to say on the matter and the ref's view must have been obstructed and refs are only human and make errors.

Right, but the question of our effort is for another thread. This thread is about whether or not we were denied two clear penalties, not whether or not we deserved them. Both penalties looked fairly obvious to me - the second more than the first.

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Apart from the two obvious penalties, the obstruction aspect of Law 12 is apparently no longer enforced.

"An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of the referee, a player:
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(despite the offense being committed some 12 yards from the ball and the offender blatently backing into an opposing player.)

Actually, if Palace had been given a penalty, and if they scored it, that would have given them a massive confidence surge, which could have changed the game in the first half.

Similarly, in the second half, when they seemed to be giving it a go, to be denied a clear penalty had a demoralising effect on them.

Confidence and psychology are massively influential. These are human beings.!!

If Man United scored a penalty against the run of play, all the 'exerts' would be saying how that's a mark of a great team to dig in and win even when you are not playing well.

If Palace get a penalty, and if they score, and that inspires them to greater things, I can't understand this mentality about "we weren't playing well anyway so we don't deserve it."

Of course they f***ing deserved it if Benteke is in the box and the keeper brings him down!!! The boys put the effort in, even though morale is low and they are beginning to be frightened of doing things.

(This is why they ended up resorting to pumping hopeful balls in the air, because they'd lost confidence)

What are you? A perfectionist? Do you demand a 25 man move, with barcelona style tippy tappy football finished off with a scorpion kick?

According to the laws of the game, we did.
(The fact that we were s*** is irrelevant to this thread).

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If we manage to get the ball in their area, and our man put's the ball past their keeper and is brought down before he has the chance to put the ball in the net, then I'm pretty sure we DO deserve a penalty.

The same logic applies if one of their players starts to juggle the ball from hand to hand.

Those are the rules. they should apply to everyone.

Doesn't matter whether the approach work doesn't match up to the style of approach work you expect. If you don't like the wrapping paper, that doesn't matter. Have a look at the end result.